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[LOUNGE] PODS - CLOSED SYSTEM - MTL (review, diskusi, pamer, masuk sini!) - Part 1

[LOUNGE] PODS - CLOSED SYSTEM - MTL (review, diskusi, pamer, masuk sini!)

[LOUNGE] PODS - CLOSED SYSTEM - MTL (review, diskusi, pamer, masuk sini!) - Part 1

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Head 2 Head Closed System VS Open System Vaporizer

[LOUNGE] PODS - CLOSED SYSTEM - MTL (review, diskusi, pamer, masuk sini!) - Part 1

So, you want to quit smoking, or at least cut down on your nicotine intake...great! But how do you go about it? There are many ways: quit cold turkey, use a patch, or bang your head against a rock until you pass out anytime you feel the urge to smoke. Of course, the latter only works if you have excellent health insurance. There is an alternative to these methods, however – vaping.

Over the past decade, vaping has gained tremendous popularity among smokers and those looking to quit smoking. They get the same nicotine kick without all of the toxins and poisons that come with cigarettes. According to a 2016 Public Health England study, consumers found e-cigarettes helped them ween off of analog cigarettes. The UK government is committed to supporting any device or method that helps lead to a smoke-free society. And a recent FDA (Federal Drug Administration) release stated that although there is still much research to be done on e-cigarettes as a whole, there may already be benefits in terms of weening smokers off of nicotine. The announcement was given by Dr. Scott Gottlieb, FDA Commissioner and cancer survivor.

Now that we’ve settled on vaping, it’s time to choose a device. You want to find one that fits not just your needs, but your comfort level and your style. The two main types of devices are open system device and closed system devices. What’s the difference?

Closed System Devices

Closed system devices basically put e-cigarettes on the map, and for many it is still the preferred system. Closed system devices are standard two piece systems containing a battery and a cartridge pre—filled with e-liquid. Once the cartomizer is empty, you simply dispose of it and replace it with a new one.


There is very little cleaning or maintenance due to the simplicity of the device. Insert pod, smoke, pull out and replace. It is also a great way to experience Element E-Liquid’s line of nic-salts, Ns20 (nicotine-infused e-liquid).

No fumbling around trying to re-fill your e-liquid. This can get frustrating, especially when out in public or in a crowded area. Closed system devices eliminate the hassle of refilling your device.

Your initial investment is usually lower than that of an open system device. You can spend a lot of money on a kit and accessories when you first start vaping using an open system device. Closed system devices don’t usually come with the heavy price tag.


Your flavor choices are limited. Although, the new Gusto Mini powered by Ns20 has a variety of award winning flavors in its e-liquids line.

The cartridge has a shorter lifespan. Because they are more compact and have a smaller cartomizer, they can run low on power much quicker than an open system device with a bigger cartomizer.

You pay more for replacing cartridges. Because you can not refill the pods, you have to buy enough pods to last you for as long as you need, especially if you want various flavors and tastes.

Open System Devices

This type of system is rapidly gaining in popularity among the vaping community. With an open system, the user has more control over certain options – nicotine strength, resistance and the ability to build your own device.


You can pick your own flavors; even mix them. And with the nic-salts available for both systems, you are not restricted to only one flavor at a time.

Tank systems can go longer without a refill. Because most open system devices have bigger batteries, the lifespan is usually a lot longer than that of a closed system product.

Higher performance and the cost for refills is lower. Depending on the amount of flavors or refills you buy, your cost can be significantly lower than purchasing refills for a closed system device.


Re-filling can be a hassle and sometimes messy. It can be a bit time consuming to refill your machine, but many vapers do not mind it, or are used to it already.

The devices are much bulkier. They do take up a bit more room in your pocket or your purse. But what it lacks in convenience it makes up for in performance.

The initial investment will most likely be higher due to accessories you have to get to accompany your device. You may also purchase a bunch of flavors to try right off the bat, driving your cost up. But over time, you will build up a collection you can choose from without shelling out cash that often.

Depending on your needs and your preference, either system would be a suitable fit. And the best part - both types of devices complement Element E-Liquid’s Ns20 line of nic-salts (nicotine-infused e-liquids). Weigh the pros and cons of each vape system, try them out and choose one that is right for you.

What are Nicotine Salts? Beginner's Guide to Salt E-Liquid

[LOUNGE] PODS - CLOSED SYSTEM - MTL (review, diskusi, pamer, masuk sini!) - Part 1

What are Nicotine Salts? Beginner's Guide to Salt E-Liquid

Like almost any technology, trend, or hobby, vaping has very basic roots. We've come a long way since the days of cheap gas station cig-a-likes and vape pens that were feeding us crude, PG-laden e-liquids.

However, bigger isn't always better. Sure, a lot of us love the feeling, flavor, and cloud production of a high VG e-juice in a sub-ohm tank. But for those, us that are only interested in nicotine consumption, using high VG-based e-liquids is kind of like owning a Ferrari—flashy for most, but not practical for all.

Virtually everyone that vapes started vaping as a means of quitting smoking. Graduating to the big leagues of 100-watt devices and 5mL tanks should be a choice, not a necessity. Sadly, this means that people who prefer a smaller, cheaper, and a more discreet vaporizer will have to settle for a vape pen that is unpleasant overall—or fork over tons of cash and navigate a tiny supercomputer.

Nicotine salts, however, seem to be a magic solution - the veritable penicillin to cure some of the ailing vapers out there. That said, let's have a look at this brand-new innovation and see where – and who – it fits in the vaping world.

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Freebase Nicotine: The Current Standard

There's a fundamental difference between the conventional "freebase" nicotine we use in our e-liquids and the newer "salts" that have been quickly making headlines. It is this difference that, not only classifies it separately but also creates an entirely new experience.

To better understand what salts are, let's compare them to their big brother, freebase nicotine. Without getting too technical, freebase is the purest form of nicotine and is the default "go-to" for most manufacturers. This nicotine solution is simply added to a mixture of vegetable glycerin (VG) and propylene glycol (PG) which "carry" the nicotine with them when vaped. It's also what we use in nicotine replacement therapies—like gums, patches, sprays, and lozenges.

Furthermore, freebase has been the norm in cigarettes for decades, thanks to Phillip Morris of Marlboro back in the 1960s. He found that "freebasing" nicotine-paired with ammonia delivered a significantly larger amount of nicotine (which did wonders for keeping customers hooked). Since we're trying to offer an effective nicotine replacement in vape juices, it only makes sense that we use the best form available.
Nicotine Salts

So we've established that freebase-nicotine is nicotine at its purest. If that's the case, then why would vapers want something that's not as inherently effective? Like Phillip Morris's little freebase trick, the answer can be found in chemistry.

What are Nicotine Salts?

At its core, nicotine salts are comprised of the same exact nicotine that's found in its natural state within the tobacco leaf. If this form of nicotine was added to the liquid that we vape, we'd need to vape it at extremely high temperatures for the nicotine solution to be effective, and it still wouldn't be as easily absorbed (bioavailable) as freebase nicotine. Similarly, like freebase, salts need some modification too. The key here is benzoic acid.

A Quick Chemistry Lesson
We won't try to overwhelm you with too much jargon, so let's stick with the basics: pH and alkalinity. Freebase nicotine has a higher pH, which leads to increased alkalinity. This dramatic increase in alkaline causes a harsher throat-hit, thus causing people to vape at smaller amounts than they may need.

Benzoic acid has the opposite effect. It lowers the pH levels of nicotine, reducing alkalinity in the process. The end result is a much smoother vaping experience.

Furthermore, this allows the mixture to be vaped at lower temperatures in cheap vape pens and cig-a-likes with higher concentrations of nicotine. For instance: vape juices mixed with nicotine salts – while less potent – can reach nicotine levels as high as 50mg. Try vaping something like that in your traditional sub-ohm tank/PG-mixture and let us know when your lungs stop burning.

Advantages and Disadvantages
Nicotine salts have pros and cons. However, what could be seen as a disadvantage to some will, in fact, be an advantage to others. Let's explain what we mean.

Satisfaction: Many vapers who try conventional liquids for the first time often find that they don't get the same satisfaction or "punch" from their nicotine. What's more, it may not be enough to satisfy their cravings.

Smoother nicotine hit: A huge turn-off for many "would-be" vapers is that conventional e-liquids are too harsh, and nicotine is to blame. Cigarette companies use anesthetics like menthol or eugenol to cover-up and mask the harshness. Vape juices don't, so the smoother feeling of nicotine salt liquids makes a huge difference.

Less flavor impact: Those of us who kicked the habit and prefer nicotine-free e-liquids may notice a marked difference in flavor, despite smoking the same product. This is because freebase nicotine affects the liquid's overall flavor. Salts have next-to-no effect in this area, leading to a richer, flavorful, and more enjoyable vaping experience.

Cheaper: Let's face it—an efficient sub-ohm tank or box mod is significantly more expensive than a tiny little vape pen, as well as the many premium e-liquids that go into the vape pen. If all you need is an inexpensive and discreet vaping experience that helps you get just the right amount of nicotine, then salts are for you.

Too much for some: While heavy smokers need a heavy dose of nicotine, lighter smokers can make do in the 3-12mg nicotine range. This also happens to be the ultimate sweet spot for sub-ohm devices. As a result, people can use smooth, high-VG e-juices in their sub-ohm tank and feel completely content with the experience they get.

Fewer options: Nicotine salts are limiting because you'll generally have to stick to vape pens. The more traditional mods and sub-ohm tanks allow for nearly endless tank/mod combinations—each pair allowing for their own unique cloud production and flavor experiences. Not to mention the coil combinations and styles of the more advanced rebuildable atomizers – you get the idea.

Lower fun factor: A great way to describe freebase juices compared to nicotine salts is "fashion over function" (again, think Ferrari vs. smart car). Nicotine salts are the perfect choice if you need a strong dose of nicotine and prefer a more cigarette-like experience.

Are Nicotine Salts Right for You?

This is where things get tricky, and only you will know the answer. So when you're deciding what to do, ask yourself the following questions:

Am I a heavy smoker (one or more packs a day)?
Do I want a more genuine smoking experience, or am I looking for something new?
Will I want smooth vapor and high nicotine?
Do I need a stronger or more subtle nicotine "punch" (buzz)?
Is discretion important, or are massive clouds my thing?
How much money do I initially want to spend?

These are just guidelines. Starting off with a small device and using nicotine salts is a good approach, and you can always switch to high-VG/lower-nicotine sub-ohm setups as you wean yourself off and start to branch out. In fact – salt or no salt – it's better to grasp the basics with a simple vaporizer before navigating through the different types of coils, tanks, and settings.

The safest bet is to ask a knowledgeable vape shop owner. Remember, he or she was once in the same boat – a smoker looking for a better way out.

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Ijin numpang pejwan dimari subes,,
Panutan guebyg baru deh ini agan reagan , mau terjun ke dunia pod buat di mobil karna males rda, bimbing ane gan wkwkwk,...

Btw barusan cobain s8, lebih plong ya ternyata dari ceto tarikannya

stlh cartridge s8 ane udh ke 8 pcs, ane baru nyadar.. imho,

kadang dpt yg grip sempit, kadang dpt yg plong pas narik.. mungkin bawaan pabrik gitu kali ya

mirip2 suorin air / drop juga nih cartridge kasusnya, kata org ada yg plong, kata org ada yg sempit flownya

begituch emoticon-coffee
gan reagan.. cobain vladdin donggg 😁

gw punya suorin air (v2) yg biasa gw pake klo lg nyetir, tp batterynya bikin kesel.. kadang ketika didraw mendadak suka susah firing, mesti di offin trus di onin lg, baru mau firing lagi deh.. lelah pake ini
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Itu salah satu penyakitnya 😁. Tp gk tau knapa diantara semua closed sistem yg pernah ane pakai suorin air v2 yg paling suka pakai nya. Pernah pakai s8, aspire breeze. S8 flavor nya dpt sih, cuma pods nya cepat rasa hangus atau gk enak. 😥.
Berbagi pengalaman pakai liquid saltnic
Liq salt nic yg pernah dicoba,

Yg kurang enak, yg ane rasakan:
- moods strawberry apple
- luna salt
- my pods double mint

Yg enak, menurut ane :
- tsty icy wine
- tsty berry baco
- tsty minty baco ( walau kesan pertama rasanya seperti obat batuk, tp lama2 jd terbiasa)
- dr salt summer

kalo yg mirip2 vladdin udh pernah cobain, kek juul, ghost pod, laan lite, von erl, phix sama ply rock

cuman agak takut podnya susah dicari atau stop produksi, bagus nyari yg bener brandnya brand masal,

menurut ane untuk pod refill yg gitu kecil rasanya jg agak kurang ya, menurut ane pribadi

kenapa ga ambil drop gan? penyempurnaan dr suorin v2 , iya penyakitnya suorin ya kadang becek dia miss firing, tp di suorin drop udh ga gitu kok

gw ambil ini dulu karena bisa rewick sendiri (by ngebongkar cartridgenya) jadi bisa ngehemat, dan kebukti sih sepanjang gw pake ini sejak februari baru 2x ganti cartridgenya, tiap gw rewick gw bersihin juga coilnya dan selalu kinclong like new meskipun gw ga pernah pake salt nic..

gw tertarik sama vladdin soalnya dia ceramic coil, kata orang² luar sanah rasanya lebih clean daripada pake coil konvensional, pricetagnya juga deket² sama suorin air.. next week angkut kyknya
lagi nyobain pake envii fitt nih, sebelumnya pake c601 & masih dipake buat 2nd device.

- envii fitt : sering ngerembes meskipun seal uda rapet. 2 hari sekali ganti kapas kalo pengen tetap enak. kalo di chain vaping gampang gosong.
- justfog c601 : dihajar chain vaping ngga masalah. kalo mau enak cartridge diganti seminggu sekali max 2 minggu. sayang batre kecil, tapi paling enak buat dibawa2.

baru coba beberapa liquid lokal :
- koffie creme : paling enak, th alus bener
- salt inc strawberry grape : lumayan alus kalo dipakai di c601, tapi di envii th nya kerasa bener
- meepo : nikotin lumayan nendang, th lumayan kerasa
- matjan gedhang : th paling kerasa
Mohon sarannya suhu2 sekalian, sy mau nyobain beli salt nicotine liquid. Saya pakai RDA MTL Berserker. Apakah bisa?, ada yg pernah coba?

salah kamar kyknya gan, tp bantu jawab aja.. salt nic boleh dipake di RTA/RDA yg cenderung restricted airflownya (mtl).. ngga ada larangan buat dipake diluar itu sih, asal kuat aja makenya hahahahah

tapi IMHO, sangat tidak cocok/rekomen dipakai di settingan subohm, apalagi dual coil emoticon-Big Grin

berseker saya pernah coba build pake khantal 26 2-2.5mm renggang, cmn pake nic 9mg base liquid konvensional, kalo envii artisan hampir sama build diatas, pernah pakein tsty wine, udh kebiasaan make salt udh ga berasa sih nendangnya.

bisa, cmn mainnya di 1.0ohm sekian low watt, bergantung sama build, jgn low res, makin low res makin masak tuh salt nic ( makin serek , gag kuat kk ),

imho, main di RTA single coil sih enakkan yg fruity mint kalau mau salt nic, ga terlalu kasar

[LOUNGE] PODS - CLOSED SYSTEM - MTL (review, diskusi, pamer, masuk sini!) - Part 1

Wah sesama pngguna c601 nih gan emoticon-Shakehand2
Btw catridge ane udh rembes apa itu tndanya minta gnti y gan, pmakaian kira2 udh 2 mngguan lbih ?
n saltnic yg cocok n enak d c601 apa ya gan ?
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