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Zhuhai Airshow 2018





J-10B TVC wows Zhuhai crowds with surprise performance

[*] 06 November, 2018
[*] SOURCE: FlightGlobal.com
[*] BY: Greg Waldron
[*] Zhuhai

A surprise participant in the flying display of this year’s Airshow China is a Chengdu J-10B testbed equipped with a thrust vectoring control (TVC) engine.
The aircraft is likely powered by an advanced version of the indigenous Shenyang WS-10 engine equipped with a hinged nozzle.
Thrust vectoring can improve a fighter’s maneuverability, as it need not rely wholly on aerodynamic control surfaces. The appearance of the aircraft, and the very fact it was allowed to appear, could suggest a growing sense of confidence in China about domestically produced jet engines,.
The short display was reminiscent of flying displays performed by other fighters with thrust vectoring, such as the Sukhoi Su-35 and Lockheed Martin F-22. Trailing pink smoke, the J-10B TVC’s routine included tight vertical loops, a slow high angle of attack roll, a cobra maneuver, and the falling leaf.
Primary applications for the WS-10 include the J-10 family and the J-11 – a Chinese copy of the Sukhoi Su-27. The other powerplant for the J-10 family is Russia’s Saturn AL-31FN, which is based on the AL-31F that powers the Su-27.
Advanced Chinese fighters such as the J-20 and FC-31 lack thrust vectoring. Only a small number of fighters use the technology, notably the F-22, Su-30, Su-35, and Su-57.
The original version of the J-10, the J-10A, also appeared in the flying display, as it is used by the August 1st display team. The most advanced version of the J-10, the J-10C, did not make an appearance. That variiant is distinguishable by an additional missile approach warning system (MAWS) on the tail. In addition, it has an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar.
It is not clear if thrust vectoring will be applied to future members of the J-10 family.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...rforma-453352/



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Zhuhai Airshow 2018
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China promotes new CM-401 supersonic ballistic anti-ship missile
Nov 5, 2018
in Maritime Security, Missiles & Bombs, News
China promotes new CM-401 supersonic ballistic anti-ship missile

Zhuhai Airshow 2018
Zhuhai Airshow 2018
Zhuhai Airshow 2018
Chinese defense company offers its new CM-401 supersonic ballistic anti-ship missile for the export market.

China’s modern indigenously designed and manufactured supersonic ballistic anti-ship missile will make its maiden public appearance during the AirShow China 2018 exhibition, which is set to take place in Zhuhai from 6–11 November.

The CM-401 missile is a new type of hight supersonic ballistic anti-ship missile, using near space trajectory, and capable of all-course high supersonic maneuverable flight, terminal diving and high-velocity top-attacking, various platform launching firing. It is mainly used to rapidly and exactly attack medium-large sized vessels and ships, formations and port targets.

According to company’s officials, it has the characteristics of multi-ballistic coordinated capability, powerful damage capability, strong penetration ability and system combat.

The new CM-401 missile has an estimated top speed of Mach 6 and a maximum range of 290 km.

https://defence-blog.com/news/china-...p-missile.html

China to unveil modern LW-30 laser weapon system at Zhuhai Airshow
Nov 4, 2018
in Army, News
China to unveil modern LW-30 laser weapon system at Zhuhai Airshow

Zhuhai Airshow 2018
Zhuhai Airshow 2018
Chinese defense company has taken the opportunity at the Zhuhai Airshow or AirShow China 2018 exhibition to unveil a new LW-30 laser weapon system prototype.

The LW-30 is a modern short-range precision laser inception weapon that designed for tracked and destroyed unmanned aerial vehicles, light aircraft and commercial drone.

LW-30 laser weapon system basically consists of a laser commanding and communicating vehicle, laser combating vehicle and support equipment. It can be used to strike photoelectric guidance equipment, UAV, aerospace aircraft models.

With a low cost per shot and an infinite magazine, LW-30 laser weapon system is effective over land, air and sea.

The truck-based system currently can destroy targets from up to 25 km away with an energy beam of up to 30 kilowatts.

The AirShow China 2018 exhibition is set to take place from 6–11 November.

https://defence-blog.com/army/china-...i-airshow.html

China to unveil CH-7 new-generation stealth unmanned combat aircraft
Nov 5, 2018
in Aviation, News
China to unveil CH-7 new-generation stealth unmanned combat aircraft

Zhuhai Airshow 2018
Zhuhai Airshow 2018
Zhuhai Airshow 2018
China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC) has taken the opportunity at the AirShow China 2018 exhibition to unveil a new-generation stealth unmanned combat aircraft.

CASC is planning to unveil its new CH-7 fighter-sized stealth unmanned combat aircraft during the AirShow China 2018 exhibition, which is set to take place in Zhuhai from 6–11 November.

According to CASC’s officials, the new CH-7 is a stealth unmanned reconnaissance aircraft but some experts said that this is a new Chinese unmanned combat air system a similar to Northrop Grumman X-47B. It aircraft is designed for stealth or low observable relevant requirements.

The first prototype will have a 20 m wingspan and a cruising altitude of less than 10000 – 13000 m.

CH-7 will can to conduct last reconnaissance, guard detection, air defense operation, and operation support. It can also launch a strike or guide other weapons to hit on targets of high value.

https://defence-blog.com/news/china-...-aircraft.html

J-20
China, Russia unveil life-size model of planned widebody jet at Zhuhai airshow
[Reuters]
ReutersNovember 6, 2018
Zhuhai Airshow 2018
Workers are seen next to a model of a CR929 developed by China-Russia Commercial Aircraft International Corporation (CRAIC), a joint venture between Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China (COMAC) and Russia's United Aircraft Corp (UAC), at a booth ahead of the China International Aviation and Aerospace Exhibition, or Zhuhai Airshow, in Zhuhai, Guangdong province, China November 4, 2018. Picture taken November 4, 2018. Wu Jin/Southern Metropolis Daily via REUTERS

ZHUHAI, China (Reuters) - China and Russia on Tuesday unveiled a life-size model of a proposed wide-body long-haul jet at the opening of China's largest airshow, giving public shape to their joint efforts to break into a market dominated by Boeing and Airbus .

The biennial Airshow China, being held in the coastal city of Zhuhai from Nov. 6-11, is traditionally an event for Beijing to parade its growing aviation prowess but comes as the country is dealing with a bruising trade war with the United States.

The Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China and Russia's United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) showed off the model of the CR929's cockpit and passenger cabin in a ceremony that was attended by senior executives from both state-owned planemakers.

"Our program is making progress and is on schedule," said UAC President Yury Slyusar. "It is currently in the preliminary design phase and we are also in the supplier and equipment selection phase, which will finish by the end of 2019."

The mockup, which was 22 meters long, 6.5 meters tall and 5.9 meters wide, showed a roomy interior with 9-abreast basic seating in economy class.

The cockpit contained dummy instruments, with actual systems yet to be chosen, including a sidestick similar to the flying control favored by Airbus over the traditional control column.

"It is more Airbus than Boeing," a senior Western aerospace executive said.

UAC and COMAC announced they would cooperate on a widebody jet program in 2014 and they kick-started full-scale development of the program three years later by forming joint venture China-Russia Commercial Aircraft International Corporation (CRAIC).

To date, they have already sought proposals for the plane's engine and landing gear.

Chen Yingchun, COMAC's chief designer for the CR929 program, told reporters that CRAIC would seek supplier proposals from all over the world but declined to comment on whether current trade frictions with the United States would influence their choice.

The jet's designers have previously said its fuselage would be designed and made by China while the wings would be designed by Russia. Beijing wants the single-aisle aircraft to eventually compete with the Airbus A350 and the Boeing 787.

A senior COMAC executive said in June that the CR929 aims to make its maiden flight from 2023.

(Reporting by Brenda Goh, Stella Qiu and Tim Hepher; Editing by Himani Sarkar)

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/china...--finance.html
Chinese New Mini Robot Carries Micro Intelligent Missiles
By
News Desk -
Nov 6, 2018

Zhuhai Airshow 2018
This light robotic vehicle carries four ‘Micro Intelligent Missiles’, capable of hitting armored targets two kilometers away. Photo: Defense-Update

A new robotic vehicle displayed at ‘Airshow China’ defense expo in Zhuhai this week is equipped with a missile called by its developers a ‘micro-intelligent missile’. The tube-launched weapon weighs only one kilogram but is equipped with energetic rocket propulsion powerful enough to carry it on a flight up to 2,000 meters, and a warhead, (likely shaped charge) designed to defeat light armor. The missile that measures 40mm in diameter and 500mm in length looks similar in size and shape to Raytheon’s Pike missile designed that is also launched from 40mm grenade launchers. The weapon uses electro-optical guidance to deliver an accuracy of 0.5 meters with a lethality radius of 1.2 meters (against human targets). The term ‘intelligent’ probably refers to the missile’s ‘fire and forget’ capability, with targets acquired by the controller through the vehicle’s electro-optical unit and transferred to the missile’s seeker before launch.

Zhuhai Airshow 2018
This micro intelligent missile weighs only one kilogram and can be launched by a robot against light armored vehicles at a range of 2000 meters. Photo: Defense-Update

https://defense-update.com/20181106_...ntmissile.html
kenapa psawat2 cina ini modelnya kykx jelek begitu.. beda bngat dengn model pesawat eropa dan amerika... gagah dan cakep keliatannya.
judul jitenbi, isi marketing gallery....emoticon-Nohope
Mau bahas Jitenbi atau Zuhai Air Show??
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2-2nya om, jitenbi kan pembukaan shownya. Sekalian saja bahas zhuhai, daripada buat thread terpisah
Ya judulnya mending Zuhai Air Show 2018 aja
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BEIJING - Mesin yang dibangun khusus untuk pesawat jet tempur siluman generasi baru China, J-20, batal dipamerkan seperti yang direncanakan di Zhuhai Air Show setelah gagal tes keandalan. Para insinyur militer bingung karena gagal menemukan alasan utama untuk masalah mesin tersebut.

Mesin Emei WS-15 selama ini diandalkan Beijing untuk pesawat jet tempur J-20, yang dikenal sebagai Powerful Dragon. Mesin itu sedianya akan dipamerkan enam hari di Zhuhai Air Show di Provinsi Guangdong selatan. Namun, sejak acara dibuka hari Selasa mesin jet tempur itu tidak terlihat.

"Kinerja mesin masih sangat tidak stabil, dan insinyur telah gagal menemukan alasan utama untuk masalah, meskipun kekuatan vektornya cukup baik sekarang," kata orang dalam militer China, seperti dikutip South China Morning Post, Kamis (8/11/2018).

Orang dalam tersebut mengatakan mesin WS-15, yang telah dikembangkan selama beberapa tahun, gagal memenuhi target keandalan secara keseluruhan dalam uji coba jangka panjang selama ratusan jam.

South China Morning Post melaporkan pada bulan September bahwa WS-15, yang memiliki pisau turbin kristal tunggal, diharapkan siap untuk produksi massal pada akhir tahun menjelang pembukaan lini produksi keempat untuk Chengdu Aerospace Corporation, pembuat jet tempur J-20.

Tiga unit J-20 yang muncul untuk pertunjukan enam menit pada pembukaan air show masih dilengkapi dengan mesin Saturn AL-31 Rusia.

Seorang sumber militer yang bermarkas di Beijing mengatakan,"Ini mengindikasikan rencana produksi massal yang dijadwalkan kemungkinan akan terpengaruh, meskipun ini adalah masalah mendesak bagi Angkatan Udara Tentara Pembebasan Rakyat untuk memiliki sebanyak mungkin J-20".

Zhuhai Air Show adalah platform kunci bagi militer China untuk memamerkan senjata paling canggihnya. Pertunjukan itu sebagai peristiwa yang dilihat sebagai cara untuk meningkatkan moral PLA dan mempromosikan patriotisme di China.

"Sekarang ini sangat memalukan karena China sekarang mungkin perlu meminta bantuan dari Rusia," kata orang dalam militer tersebut.

“China memiliki hubungan persahabatan dengan Rusia sekarang, tetapi apa yang akan dilakukan Beijing jika kedua negara itu jatuh, atau jika Moskow berperang dengan negara lain?," lanjut dia.

"Semua ketidakpastian ini memengaruhi produksi mesin AL-31, dan karena itu (memengaruhi) rencana produksi massal untuk J-20," imbuh dia.

https://international.sindonews.com/...ung-1541645287

Apakah ts ada komen?emoticon-Embarrassment
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Ini mah penulisnga yg abal2, mana ad hubungannya antara reliability mesin dgn didiisplay apa ngga, belum tentu mesin yg dipamerin di sana atau dipameran manapun bs nyala, bisa aja cm mockup.

penulisnya si minie chan, dia gordon changnya dunia militer china. perkembangan apa aja dinyinyirin.
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J20 masih dalam tahap pengembangan???
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itu kan dipamerin sekaligus buat tes terbang
ya gimana mau ditampilin kalo nyala aja kaga emoticon-Big Grin
makanya mesinnya diganti AL-31

sumbernya scmp pemiliknya ali baba, kalo di indonesia ya ky kompas lah emoticon-Embarrassment
akurat dan terpercaya
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wah, merasa tersanjung sayaemoticon-Big Grin

komen saya, so what? kalau belum siap, ya disiapin, ngapain dipaksa muncul, gitu aja kok repotemoticon-Wakaka

dulu WS-10 juga diketawain, sekarang udah bisa jungkir balik
China's J-20 Stealth Fighter Stuns By Brandishing Full Load Of Missiles At Zhuhai Air Show
Beijing's stealth fighter shows its full set of teeth for the very first time.
BY TYLER ROGOWAYNOVEMBER 11, 2018

Zhuhai Airshow 2018


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On the last day of China's biennial air show and weapons expo in Zhuhai, a pair of the country's J-20 heavy stealth fighters added a surprise twist to their routine—they popped open their weapons bays and showed off full magazines of missiles. This is the first time such a full load of weapons has been fully exposed and the first time China has officially shown off the jet's complete internal weapons configuration in the flesh.

What we see isn't necessarily surprising, but it is interesting nonetheless. In the main ventral bays, the J-20 is carrying four PL-15 medium-to-long-range air-to-air missiles. The type is somewhat analogous to the American AIM-120D AMRAAM. Speculation about what missile actually would hold the PL-15 designation has bounced around a lot, with very long-range missiles and those fitted with throttleable ramjets also potentially receiving the designation, but now it seems the PL-15 is indeed a dual-pulse motor and AESA equipped missile with a similar profile as its predecessor PL-12. The PL-12 is loosely analogous to the AIM-120A/B.

Zhuhai Airshow 2018

Note that even with their clipped fins, only four PL-15s are mounted in the J-20's bays in a similar fashion to the YF-22's missile configuration. It isn't clear exactly what the launch mechanism for these missiles is based on these photos. A staggered arrangement with six PL-15s may be possible in the future by the looks of the bays, but this depends a lot on the how the missiles are ejected from the bay itself. The F-22 uses a trapeze launcher system to chuck the missiles clear of the bay. The J-20's main weapons bays also look remarkably uncluttered, which makes one wonder if the missiles are just mounted to static hardpoints inside, but this is doubtful as what appear to be launchers have been visible in the J-20s bays for years.

Zhuhai Airshow 2018

The most interesting part of this display of the J-20's lethal payload carrying abilities is the pair of PL-10s deployed on the outside of the jet's side weapons bays. This novel configuration is one of the most fascinating aspects of the J-20's design. I was one of the first to point it out and explain its utility back in early 2013, when I wrote the following:

"The F-22, a very loose analog for the J-20 (emphasize very), uses a canted trapeze that pushes the AIM-9’s seeker out into the air-stream for proper establishment of a lock before launch once the bay doors are swung open. Only once the missile has acquired a target and the pilot 'receives tone' (the AIM-9 series has an audible growl as it hunts for a heat source, once it finds one it goes from an intermittent growling sound to a solid tone, cueing the pilot to fire) the missile can be fired and only then do the launch bay doors close up.

This method increases the F-22’s radar signature dramatically while also disturbing the airflow around the jet which makes for lower performance and a rougher ride during close-in air combat maneuvering, or dogfighting. Soon, the F-22 will have the AIM-9X Block II which features lock-on after launch data-link capability. In other words, the pilot can 'acquire' a target via his or hers onboard sensors, including the hopefully forthcoming Scorpion helmet mounted display... Once the target is 'virtually locked' within the AIM-9X Block II’s engagement envelope the pilot can quickly fire the Sidewinder, with the bay doors opening and closing momentarily, and allow the data-link to transfer the acquiring secondary sensor’s info to the missile after it has left the bay in the form of a vector [to the target]. The missile will fly in this prescribed direction so that it can acquire the target itself, at which point the AIM-9X Block II becomes truly 'fire and forget.'

Once the AIM-9X Block II is integrated into the Raptor, and especially once the helmet mounted display is operational, the F-22’s side bay doors only have to briefly open to let the AIM-9X on its one-way mission. All this begs the question: If China loves copying the US when it comes to weapons systems, why not just build something similar for the J-20 when it comes to deploying its short-range air-to-air missiles?

The answer is quite simple, lock-on after launch capability is not an easy one to achieve. It is technologically complex, requires deep systems integration (software architecture permitting), and robust testing using live missiles, and thus it is expensive. China, being the resourceful and cunning folks that they are, figured out a way to employ any new or relatively archaic high-off-bore-sight short ranged air to air missile while keeping the jet’s aerodynamics relatively intact (doors closed during prolonged maneuvering while the missile hangs out on its rail) while also minimizing the impact a 'deployed missile' has the J-20’s low radar cross-section.

That is right folks, China just said "we don’t want to have to rely on LOAL capability, so why not just temporarily (as in for seconds or minutes) mount a similarly agile, but much less complex and expensive, short ranged air-to-air missile outside of the bay during times when close range combat is imminent?”

This is exactly what they did, and honestly, I think it is genius. Radar signature becomes a small factor when fighting for one’s life at close range, having a reliable missile ready to make a u-turn off the rail and subsequently turn your enemy into chaff is so important that is can be seen as a life and death requirement [especially for a big, not remarkably maneuverable fighter]. The alternative, such as the reality the F-22 has faced for the better part of a decade, is that you open the bay up for prolonged periods of time and pay a large penalty in radar cross section and [some] performance. Also, by building a relatively simple contraption, kind of similar to one of those bars that goes on your lap on a roller coaster, albeit with a missile attached, Chinese engineers simplified the launch system and also probably made it much lighter than an F-22 type design. Once again, genius.

Another point to be taken from the J-20’s short-range air-to-air missile launch mechanism revelations are that designers absolutely thought it was necessary to give this jet high-off-bore-sight close range missile capability from day one, and in a reliable and persistent nature when needed. This could be due to lack of maneuverability and/or because of its mission, which I have said for years is to break through the enemy’s (American, Taiwanese etc.) fighter cover and take out their enablers (see tankers, AEW&C, C2 and connectivity nodes). In such a case, being electronically silent is your best bet at surviving, so using infra-red passively guided missiles, which require no electronic emissions, at medium-close ranges may be your only play, at least for anything that does not put out a continuous or semi-continuous form of radiation (see AWACS or JSTARS). In that case, a passively guided anti-radiation missile may be the J-20’s weapon of choice, or a medium-long range AAM that can get within locking distance and featuring active radar or IR for terminal homing, via a traditional data-link feeding the J-20’s targeting picture to it provided by passive sensors (IRST, ESM etc).

Zhuhai Airshow 2018
A diagram of how the rail works as well as a shot of it dating back to roughly late 2012 during the J-20's early testing in Chengdu.

Here's a cool little animation of how this system works.

Zhuhai Airshow 2018

Something I would like to emphasize from my original analysis is that the PL-10 that is fired from these side bays is something of a short-to-intermediate range air-to-air missile. This means that in addition to the missile being capable of high-off-boresight shots that are cued via the J-20's helmet-mounted display or other sensors during a dogfight, it is also capable of near beyond-visual-range engagements as well.

J-20 & HMD confirmed:
During a recent exercise for the first time a HMD (HMDS) was revealed. This was expected since some time especially since such a helmet was on display at the Zhuhai Airshow 2016. However a HMD was not confirmed and usually the pilots wore a TK-31 helmet. pic.twitter.com/pRi4VvsSn7

— @Rupprecht_A (@RupprechtDeino) May 9, 2018
Able to reach out over a dozen miles or so (possibly substantially farther according to different assessments), this missile, combined with its ability to ride outside of the J-20's side-bays, can be used as a silent assassin of sorts. The J-20 can leverage its stealth and sneak up on targets without emitting any electromagnetic energy, using just its advanced passive avionics, which includes electronic surveillance measures, infrared search and track and electro-optical targeting systems, and third-party sensor data fed to it via data-link, to locate its prey.

In other words, the J-20 can take advantage of the PL-10 when maximum emissions control tactics are used or when it has snuck up on its target and gets within close, but not yet short-range. Using these methods, the J-20 pilot can also use the PL-10 for offensive tasks when its longer-range missiles are expended. Considering the jet only carries four long-range missiles, at least at this time, being able to wield the PL-10 to its maximum potential is key. Once again, this is in addition to using the missile in classic close-range dogfighting scenarios.

Finally, an infrared-guided missile with decent range like this and the ability to hang outside the bay for prolonged periods of time is also a good fallback when fighting in heavy electronic warfare environments as the missile's imaging infrared seeker is not impacted by electronic warfare tactics.

J-20 fighters open the aircraft magazine in public on the last day of #AirshowChina 2018 in Zhuhai. https://t.co/d3wPNHBeG6 pic.twitter.com/NhMxwOtaBY

— China Plus News (@ChinaPlusNews) November 11, 2018
As for the rest of the J-20's air show display, it looks pretty much exactly as what one would expect from a big, canard-equipped heavy fighter-interceptor that doesn't possess gobs of excess power. It can roll fairly fast and it can change direction quickly and point its nose decently, but it bleeds energy very fast and energy recovery is likely slow. But extreme agility wasn't the motivation idea behind this design, so that isn't surprising. With uprated engines, it will only get more capable in this regard, though.


At the air show, the J-20's designer even teased that the thrust vectoring tech that is now being tested on a modified J-10B, a jet that flew at the show as well, may find itself on the J-20, or maybe it has even already been tested. Equipping the J-20 with thrust vectoring now seems counterproductive as it adds weight to an aircraft that is already in need of more powerful engines. But as time goes on, and as new powerplants are fitted, the weight issue may not be so pressing.

Still, the added capability of thrust vectoring is debatable, but as the J-20's designer stated, it could reduce the J-20's canard deflections during flight. Fluttering flight control surfaces are not good for a stealthy aircraft's radar cross-section. This is an issue I have discussed in depth before and one of the biggest knocks against the J-20's delta-canard design which puts those surfaces—two huge ones in fact—up front where a stealthy aircraft's radar cross section is most sensitive and important to its survival. So maybe that alone is enough to justify migrating thrust vectoring tech to the J-20.

China did do something else pretty unique at Zhuhai 2018 in that it appears that they devised a way to allow a J-10 to 'torch.' Of course, this operation was made famous by the F-111, andAustralia's 'Pigs' in particular. The maneuver, which included dumping fuel and lighting it on fire with the jet's afterburners, was forbidden in the U.S., at least in the latter years of the F-111's reign, so it is a bit funny that China seems to have gone out of their way to pull something similar off. It appears as if this ability uses the August 1st Display Team's smoke oil injector to function. It could also be a malfunction of that system, but I doubt that's the case. Either way, it's cool to see a fighter in China torching it up!

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone...huhai-air-show
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Lu mau mesin nya di nyalain di ruang pameran gitu ..... biar para pengunjung nya ikut kesembur mesin jet gitu? emoticon-Ngakak

Yang jadi persoalan adalah kestabilan WS-15 nya ... MTBF nya pendek ga sesuai dng target, bukan krn mesin nya ga bisa nyala .. dan itupun juga katanya emoticon-Cape d... (S)

Wartawan nya yang enih ngaco kalau bilang J-20 masih pakai AL-31, namanya juga wartawan yg belum tentu bener2 paham issue yg dibahasnya emoticon-Ngakak (S)

Kecuali J-20 yg ditampilkan adalah J-20 prototipe 2001 ... krn J-20 versi awal memang masih pakai AL-31.
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