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[TECH NEWS] Kapal induk yang besar, nambah efek Deterrent
Royal Navy says huge size of its new aircraft carrier will be a deterrent
Nick Hopkins
The Guardian, Thursday 19 September 2013 18.24 BST

[TECH NEWS] Kapal induk yang besar, nambah efek Deterrent

Captain of HMS Queen Elizabeth hails controversial warship as vital for UK defence and projecting influence around the world

The captain of Britain's new aircraft carrier has defended the controversial multibillion-pound project by insisting the Royal Navy needs a large warship to defend the nation's interests and "nip aggressors in the bud".

Captain Simon Petitt said there was still a lot of symbolism in modern warfare and that having a ship the size of HMS Queen Elizabeth, which will be the navy's biggest ever, was significant.

Petitt said the sight of a heavily equipped 65,000-tonne carrier, which is almost 300 metres long, heading towards a potential enemy had a deterrent effect that is essential if the UK wants to project influence across the world.

"It is massively visible," he said. "You can range back in history and see the value of this. Everything from Nelson deterring Admiral Villeneuve from leaving Cadiz all the way to the big battleships of early 20th century, to what we are doing now.

"The Americans use it all the time. We currently haven't got this level of carrier capability. The bigger the capability the more influence you have to bear."

Petitt said the Royal Navy would not be able to carry out tasks demanded by ministers without the carrier. "To do the things you are required to do as a navy, you need one."

HMS Elizabeth will be launched next year and ready for service in 2020. It is being fitted and assembled at Rosyth shipyard in Fife as part of a construction programme that has provided jobs for 10,000 workers.

The scale of the project is unprecedented; by the time work on the carrier is completed, it will have 900 computer terminals hooked up to 2,000km of fibre-optic cable; the ship has nine decks, can generate enough electricity to power 5,500 homes and each of its two propellers weigh 33 tonnes.

To help feed the core crew of 680, there will be 200 toasters and microwave ovens. The ship has been assembled like a giant flat pack from 60 main sections that have been slotted and welded together at the dockyard.

However, the project has been beset by delays and overspends. The need for two new carriers – a second, the HMS Prince of Wales is also under construction – has been questioned, particularly during a period of budget and job cuts across the military.

The Ministry of Defence believes the ships will now cost £5.5bn – almost £2bn more than initial estimates. There are also deep concerns about the type and number of jets that will be flown from them.

In a humiliating about face, the government last year announced it was abandoning plans to buy the F-35C "carrier" version of the joint strike fighter – which needs catapults for take off.

Ministers reverted to the less capable F-35B, which takes off and lands like a Harrier jump jet. The U-turn cost £74m.

Despite all the difficulties, Petitt said ministers and military leaders needed the flexibility of a carrier. He said the navy had missed having one since its former flagship, the HMS Ark Royal, was decommissioned in the 2010 strategic defence and security review.

"I would say this wouldn't I, but clearly the Royal Navy has some unique features that allow us to get to the point of conflict fairly quickly and fairly safely as we sail through international waters.

"What we have with the carriers is added flexibility. [We have] a four-acre flight deck that is able to move at 500 miles a day, that allows you to fly a number of aircraft. We can go from flying the flag to flying combat missions in the blink of an eye."

Asked why the navy needed a carrier when it was currently managing without one, Petitt said: "Of course we have missed having a carrier, but we are in austere times and difficult decisions have to be made. It's not for the navy to argue, but there is a huge difference between taking a strategic pause and losing it in its entirety."

Petitt said HMS Elizabeth would be the most automated ship the navy has ever had and that he was currently attempting to write its operating manual.

"Our old ships were people heavy to make them safe and to make them capable of war fighting we needed large amounts of people. Now we have huge automation and we have to learn what that means."

One innovation involves the system for delivering missiles and bombs from the armoury to the aircraft. This has always been the responsibility of naval officers, but on HMS Elizabeth a machine will undertake the work.

"We have this automated weapon hunting system that picks the bomb off the shelf, takes it up to an area where human beings put fins on it, and then the system will take it up to the flight deck. That is a world of difference to how the Americans do things, and indeed most other nations, where there are people in the magazine. There is a lot to think about."

Petitt added: "If you speak to the Americans who operate ships with 3,000 people on board, they think we have a real challenge on our hands with a crew of 679. But I think it is doable. They are looking at what we are doing with huge interest. Everyone is looking at us to see whether automation will deliver."

If needs be, the size of the crew will be increased, he said.

"We might just well put a couple of more people in, certainly not up to the 3,500 the Americans operate their ships with, but we are talking about massaging a capability to make it work."

Petitt also raised the possibility that Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) or drones might be flown from the flight deck of HMS Elizabeth, even if it meant yet another U-turn to refit the ship with catapults.

"No navy ship has left service looking the way it started service. We don't know what the shape of UAVs will be in the future but certainly it is a fast growing technology. It's getting the requirement right so we can fly UAVs from her in 15 to 20 years time when some of these other aircraft go out of service. And if that requires the refitting of catapults then I am sure we will make that choice."

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New Images Of UK’s Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers Released
Wednesday, 25 September 2013 08:48

[TECH NEWS] Kapal induk yang besar, nambah efek Deterrent

The Aircraft Carrier Alliance has today released new computer generated images showing in detail what the two ships will look like when fully operational. The new pictures have been developed by designers at the Aircraft Carrier Alliance and show the Queen Elizabeth Class ships – HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales - as they will look when in-service, complete with helicopters and the F-35B Joint Strike Fighter.

Aircraft Carrier Alliance Programme Director, Ian Booth, said: “There are 10,000 skilled people involved in creating these two ships in the UK, and together we are making tremendous progress. The first, HMS Queen Elizabeth is now almost fully assembled and we are looking forward to her taking to the water for the first time next summer.”

The Queen Elizabeth Class aircraft carriers – HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales - will be the largest ships ever to enter service with the Royal Navy. Weighing in at 65,000 tonnes, they will be home to as many as 1,600 men and women and will operate a mix of fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters.

The aircraft carriers HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales are being delivered by the Aircraft Carrier Alliance, a unique partnering relationship between BAE Systems, Thales UK, Babcock and the UK Ministry of Defence.

Queen Elizabeth Class facts :
• The ships will be 65,000 tonnes at full displacement – over three times the size of the current Invincible Class Aircraft Carriers
• Length: 280m – 90m longer than the existing aircraft carrier
• Width: 70m – twice the width of the existing aircraft carrier
• Range: 8,000 to 10,000 nautical miles.
• 56m from keel to masthead – 6m taller than Nelson's Column
• Each ship will have a crew of 679, however, including the air group, the total complement will be 1,600
• Each ship has two propellers weighing 33 tonnes each, together they will output 80MW of power - enough to run 1,000 family cars or 50 high speed trains
• The distribution network on board will generate enough energy to power 300,000 kettles or 5,500 family homes
• Each ship needs 1.5 million m2 of paintwork, which is 370 acres or slightly more than acreage of Hyde Park

[TECH NEWS] Kapal induk yang besar, nambah efek Deterrent

[TECH NEWS] Kapal induk yang besar, nambah efek Deterrent

[TECH NEWS] Kapal induk yang besar, nambah efek Deterrent

[TECH NEWS] Kapal induk yang besar, nambah efek Deterrent

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index...-released.html

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Prepare for future battle.................................. emoticon-Ngacir
Escortnya juga nambah efek deterjen emoticon-Embarrassment

deterjen efek

kapan negara ini punya mainan beginianemoticon-Sorry
wahh HMS Queen Elizabeth ternyata ga ada catapult nya ya..
Quote:Original Posted By Mistaravim
Escortnya juga nambah efek deterjen emoticon-Embarrassment

tepatnya armada lengkap CV (CV+escort+kapal perbekalan+mine sweeper) menambah deterrentemoticon-Malu (S)
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yg bener kpn negara ini mampu kasih bbm bwt kapal segede ini

nambahin berita terkait

Navy carriers without radar cover: Damning report finds new warships could enter service without systems that will warn of enemy planes and missiles

HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales risk entering service without aerial coverage and vulnerable to attack when they are put to sea, Parliament’s spending watchdog also warns the cost of the aircraft carriers could spiral 'uncontrollably'

The Royal Navy’s new aircraft carriers could set sail without a crucial radar which warns commanders of incoming enemy warplanes and missiles.

A damning report by MPs reveals the Crowsnest early warning system will not be ready until six years after the first of the £5.5billion Queen Elizabeth-class warships enters service in 2016.

Delays in fitting the ‘eyes in the sky’ system to military helicopters until 2022 were a ‘concern’, the Commons’ Public Accounts Committee (PAC) says today.

This risks leaving HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales without aerial coverage and vulnerable to attack when they are put to sea.

The 65,000-tonne floating fortresses are due to be fully operational from 2020 meaning they could be deployed to trouble spots around the world.


Last time the Navy did not have an airborne early warning system was in place was during the Falklands conflict in 1982 when five ships were sunk, with dozens of service personnel killed and hundreds injured.

The cross-party committee - Parliament’s spending watchdog - also warns the cost of the aircraft carriers could spiral ‘uncontrollably’.

The bill for the two new warships, given the green light in 2008, is almost twice the original £3.6billion - and there are ‘huge risks’ it will increase further, says the report.

MPs heap criticism on the Coalition for wasting money after a U-turn over the type of warplanes to fly from the aircraft carriers.

In 2010 ministers controversially decided to scrap the last Labour government’s plans to buy a fleet of jump jets, which take off and land vertically.

Instead, Prime Minister David Cameron ordered conventional versions of the US-built F-35 Joint Strike Fighter that would need catapults and arrester gear to take off from and land on the vessels.
Defence Secretary Philip Hammond

But this was based on ‘deeply flawed information’, say the committee. When the cost of fitting the ships with ‘cats and traps’ more than doubled to £2billion, Mr Cameron flip-flopped and returned to buying the jump jet.

The move cost a staggering £74million in squandered in lost man hours, administrative costs and needless planning.

Labour MP Margaret Hodge, the PAC’s chairman, said: ‘The Committee is still not convinced that the MOD has this programme under control. It remains subject to huge technical and commercial risks, with the potential for further uncontrolled growth in costs.’

Defence Secretary Philip Hammond said: ‘Crowsnest is expected to deliver an initial capability by the time the first carrier is in operational service.

‘Maritime surveillance will also be provided by other platforms and systems.’

He said the Ministry of Defence ‘acted swiftly’ to switch back to the jump jet as soon as it became clear ‘the alternative would cost more money’.

The Coalition left Britain without carrier strike when it controversially scrapped the iconic Harrier jump jets in 2010 as part of defence cuts.

Labour defence spokesman Kevan Jones said: ‘The chaos of the Government’s carrier u-turn gets worse and worse.

‘David Cameron has cost the taxpayer millions of pounds and has left the country without aircraft on an aircraft carrier for a decade. When defence budgets are tight, this looks incompetent and wasteful.’

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Quote:Original Posted By dreadnought87

Navy carriers without radar cover: Damning report finds new warships could enter service without systems that will warn of enemy planes and missiles

HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales risk entering service without aerial coverage and vulnerable to attack when they are put to sea, Parliament’s spending watchdog also warns the cost of the aircraft carriers could spiral 'uncontrollably

The Royal Navy’s new aircraft carriers could set sail without a crucial radar which warns commanders of incoming enemy warplanes and missiles.

A damning report by MPs reveals the Crowsnest early warning system will not be ready until six years after the first of the £5.5billion Queen Elizabeth-class warships enters service in 2016.


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size does matteremoticon-Ngakak
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gak beda jauh dengan negara kepulauan besar di selatanemoticon-Malu (S)


no early-warning radars no deterrent just a "sitting duck" emoticon-Ngakak

enter service : 2016
fully operational : 2020
wow lama sekali ya baru bisa operasional emoticon-Ngakak
Quote:Original Posted By dreadnought87


no early-warning radars no deterrent just a "sitting duck" emoticon-Ngakak

enter service : 2016
fully operational : 2020
wow lama sekali ya baru bisa operasional emoticon-Ngakak


sekarang di mananya yang gas sama
ente dah nyebutin tuchemoticon-Ngakak (S)
Waduh...kapan yak qta punya mainan kayak gitu.....kayaknya bisa bikin keder tetangga tuh...emoticon-Ngakak
Nda ada AEWnya ya? Apa krn ga da catapult? Minim sebongsor ini hrs punya E-2C lah. Kecuali AEW nya rotary wing.

Lagian catobar semahal itu y?
Quote:Original Posted By wheels09
kapan negara ini punya mainan beginianemoticon-Sorry


Quote:Original Posted By zheel
Waduh...kapan yak qta punya mainan kayak gitu.....kayaknya bisa bikin keder tetangga tuh...emoticon-Ngakak


ga tau juga gan emoticon-Ngakak tergantung kedepan angkatan bersenjata kita mau diarahkan ke mana. kalo kita masih nganut prinsip militer cuma buat jaga wilayah en kedaulatan ga pake serang negara jauh, kayanya kita nggak bakalan punya maenan kaya gitu emoticon-Malu (S)
Quote:Original Posted By wheels09
kapan negara ini punya mainan beginianemoticon-Sorry


gak perlu punya gituan......lebih baik kita pikirkan gimana ya cara menangkal ancaman ginian?pasti ada celah,nih....

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gak perlu punya gituan......lebih baik kita pikirkan gimana ya cara menangkal ancaman ginian?pasti ada celah,nih....

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buat bahan perbandingan

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kota plus airport berjalan.... bener2 sebuah pemborosan energi...
tapi ga jadi masalah kalo pake tenaga nuklir...

kita cukup berharap LHD saja...
wong cilik kebutuhane yo melu cilik... emoticon-Embarrassment
Wow kapal induknya mantap, tp tetep ga pake peluncur pesawat, pakenya malah tanjakan. Indonesia jgn mau kalah, tambah kapal selam, sm perusak kawal rudal
Sebenernya UK mau pasang electromagnetic catapult di carrier ini. Mereka minta gradual acceleration buat catapultnya, sehingga bisa menghemat airframe pesawat. Tapi mereka belum bisa membuat sistem yang mampu mengalirkan listrik dari mesin kapal ke electromagnetic catapult dengan tingkat reliability 99,99%. Jadinya mereka milih F35B (VTOL) yang sebenernya kurang mereka sukai, karena seri VTOL performance nya kurang dibanding yang versi F-35C (navy version).
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