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1. Mengenai Junk Post
Yang dimaksudkan dengan Junk Post adalah setiap post yang tidak mempunyai kaitan apapun dengan Liverpool.
2. Mengenai Pembahasan Out Of Topic (OOT)
Dilarang melakukan segala bentuk posting yang Esensinya tidak berkaitan dengan Liverpool FC.
3. Mengenai One Liner Post (post satu baris)
Dilarang melakukan segala bentuk posting yang bentuknya hanya satu baris saja (one liner post). Jika melanggar maka postingan tersebut akan langsung di reqdel tanpa pemberitahuan
Dilarang melakukan segala bentuk posting postingan irit (mungkin keliatannya lebih dari 1 baris, tapi sebenarnya cuman kayak 1 baris). Jika terjadi akan di req delete tanpa pemberitahuan.
4. Mengenai Multiquote
Pergunakanlah fasilitas Multiquote agar postingan tampak lebih rapih. Multiquote terdapat di sebelah Quote.
5. Mengenai Postingan/Share Berita (News)
Apabila ingin mengupload gambar atau share video. Diwajibkan gambar/video tersebut dimasukan ke dalam spoiler agar postingan tetap rapih dan nyaman dibaca. Bagi yg melanggar, akan mendapat sanksi banned 1 bulan.
Dilarang keras live report ketika match sedang berlangsung. Yg bandel = banned permanent.
Diharapkan setelah melakukan posting berita, cantumkan jg komentarnya. Jadi tidak hanya berupa emoticon saja.
[]Pastikan berita bukan dari The Su & Kroni"nya. (ex : The Su*, NOTW, dsb)
Dianjurkan bagi yang mempunyai twitter untuk memfollow @LFC atau @empireofthekop untuk memperoleh berita yang diyakini kebenarannya
6. Mengenai Absen Dan Salam (greetings)
Dilarang melakukan segala bentuk posting yang Esensinya hanya ditujukan untuk melakukan absen dan salam (greetings).
7. Mengenai Aktivitas Jual-beli
Aktivitas jual-beli diperbolehkan sebatas menjual barang-barang yang berkaitan dengan klub pada Thread yang bersangkutan. Jadi pada Thread klub ini, barang-barang yang boleh ditawarkan hanyalah Yang bersangkutan dengan klub ini.
Aktivitas jual-beli hanya diperbolehkan sebatas memberikan Link yang mengarah kepada Thread jual-beli di Forum Jual Beli (FJB).
Tidak diperbolehkan untuk menambahkan gambar barang yang dijual pada Thread-thread Forum Fans Klub Sepakbola.
8. Mengenai Reputation Point (RP)
Dilarang melakukan segala macam bentuk pertukaran dan pemberian Good Reputation Point (GRP) di tiap Thread Fans Klub Sepakbola.
Segala macam bentuk permainan dan quiz yang berhadiah GRP, bisa di-post/diletakkan di Thread yang semestinya, semisal di Thread [game] uji pengetahuan elo tentang bola atau langsung ke B-log L4US.
Dilarang meminta imbalan GRP dalam memberikan bantuan apapun (Sharing, Image, Lagu, Dsb.)
Pemberian GRP terhadap seseorang yang dianggap pantas mendapatkannya karena sumbangan artikel/pemikirannya yang di-posting/diletakkan di Thread Fans Klub Sepakbola, harap dikonfirmasikan melalui fasilitas PM (Private Message).
Dilarang mengkonfirmasikan pemberian GRP melalui sebuah postingan pada Thread yang bersangkutan ataupun di Thread lain di Forum Sports.
9. Mengenai Flammer Dan Bad Reputation Point (BRP) Gelap
Disarankan untuk menahan diri memberikan BRP kepada Flammer di setiap Thread. Gunakan fasilitas Report untuk melaporkan postingan yang tidak sesuai kepada Moderator. Fasilitas Report ditandai dengan Icon Tanda Seru di samping Icon pemberian Reputation Point (timbangan).
Mengingat banyaknya kasus teror BRP Gelap terhadap teman-teman Newbie, MAKA jika terjadi kasus serupa, harap segera dilaporkan ke Moderator. Teman-teman yang sudah lebih berpengalaman harap membantu teman-teman Newbie untuk segala macam hal yang bersifat teknis. Jangan terburu-buru menggantikan BRP tersebut dengan GRP yang nantinya menyusahkan pelacakan terhadap Oknum-oknum yang tidak bertanggung jawab tersebut.
Diharapkan tidak meng-quote atau counter postingan flammer, karena flammer biasanya makin ditanggapi makin senang. Cuekin aja, lama kelamaan dia bosan sendiri karena gak ada yg nanggepin.
Jika ada Personal Insult (PI), harap segera laporkan ke pihak yg berwenang (Moderator). DAN INGAT!!, jangan balas dengan PI juga karena akan mengakibatkan masalah semakin runyam. Getting angry doesn't solve anything....rite??
Kepada teman2 Newbie, jangan ragu untuk minta bimbingan para senior jika terjadi masalah, khususnya seputar flammer dan PI, teman2 senior pasti akan membantu.
Khusus user aktif L4US, dilarang keras melakukan flaming di suatu thread fans klub lain yg ada di SF Soccer Room. (Contoh: United Kaskus, Chelsea Kaskus, FCBK, dll)
Dilarang menghina atau dengan sengaja menjelekan fans klub lain yg posting disini apapun alasannya. Jika ada fans klub lain yg flaming atau memancing kerusuhan di thread ini akan langsung di banned permanent tanpa ampun.
**Pelanggaran untuk rules nomor 9, point 6 dan 7 = banned permanent
10. Dilarang Berbagi Informasi Apapun Yang Berbau Pornografi.
11. Dilarang Melakukan Segala Macam Bentuk Posting Yang Bersifat Menyinggung Unsur-unsur Suku, Ras, Dan Agama (SARA).
Segala bentuk posting yg memancing kerusuhan, sebaiknya diabaikan saja (masukin ignore list), kemudian segera laporkan kepada Moderator yg berwenang, atau lapor ke Hansip.
Segala bentuk pelanggaran akan dilakukan penghapusan postingan, peringatan dan BRP dan bila pelanggarannya masuk kategori berat akan dilakukan IP Banning & ID Banning.
12. Dilarang Menghina Liverpool FC apapun bentuknya
Hargailah dan sayangilah tim kesayangan anda, Liverpool FC , bedakan antara mengkritik dan menghina/mengumpat.
Apabila terjadi, akan diberi sanksi banned permanent tanpa pemberitahuan.
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» Gan , oneliner apa ya? OOT apa ya? Dopost apa ya?
Oneliner = Post sebaris,minimal 2 baris jangan males tekan ENTER. OOT = Out of Topic. Dopost = Doble post, jangan post berurutan gunakan multiquote. :
» Gan , jadi member L4US gimana ya?
Rajin & aktif di mabes , post sesuai rules dan Prime ID. PM id hecatomb untuk daftar.
» Kalo belum jadi member engga boleh ngepost ya?
Boleh, bebas siapa aja yang ngepost mau fans sebelah sekalipun yang penting ikutin rules & bahas Liverpool. emoticon-shakehand
» Numpang jualan boleh ga gan?
Ketentuan nya, jangan post link dagangan aja. Harus bahas Liverpool nya juga, dan jangan hit and run cuma buat dagang. :
» Gan, gue di bata sama penghuni mabes nih?
Selesaikan via PM jangan bahas di mabes. Kita tidak bertanggung jawab penuh atas kejadian kejadian antar pribadi di luar bahasan Liverpool.
» Gan , kenapa nggak boleh naro berita dari The Sun*?
HARAM , titik.
» Gan gan gan?
Udah yee, nanya nanya mulu. Yang penting santai & enjoy aja disini.
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Darwin Núñez, Finishing
John Zuidema
It’s been a long time since player was so heavily under a microscope in the manner which Darwin Núñez is at the moment. Some people claim he’s simply not a good player, some people claim he’s good but limited, others think he’s just an incredible player overall. The main factor in all of this? Darwin Núñez has missed some huge chances since joining Liverpool.
Although there are loads of pieces to evaluating a player, today I want to focus exclusively on Darwin Núñez and his shooting, both tactically and technically focused.
‘The forwards need service!’
A statement a lot of fans love to make, and a quip that Darwin Núñez seems to have set his mind upon breaking. Most players don’t have 30 yard shots in their catalogue — they just don’t see any reason to take them. Darwin seems to have one per page of Wyscout clips.
This somewhat silly example of his decision-making in the final 1/3 is really emblematic though of a larger problem with Núñez which is that he has taken a skill (taking shots) and then put it on some kind of steroid. Which is to say he just shoots whenever he feels he has a yard of space. I’m not sure it exactly fits what people mean when they say ‘service’ but Núñez sure is getting shots off one way or another, in fact, more shots than almost anyone else in the top 5 leagues.
I would say that roughly 1/2 of Núñez shots are just straight up poor quality and shouldn’t be taken, data isn’t the focus but I’m sure someone can give a better idea of what the true ratio is. But, I’m not here to say he shouldn’t be shooting, his shot catalogue is actually very similar to Erling Haaland’s, who takes roughly one less shot per match. (Only difference is he doesn’t think he’s Steph Curry shooting from 35+ yards.)
Getting off shots matters, but so does their quality. Núñez is actually excellent at creating shots and getting them off his foot on his own, while this might not result in goals for him specifically, this is an extremely valuable trait. This is similar to the way that Trent’s passing can influence a game, while once and awhile he’ll play passes that are jaw-dropping, the majority of them set the team up nicely for second-balls in dangerous areas. Núñez does the same with his shooting — sometimes putting them on target and occasionally scoring great shots. A coach’s dream for ‘testing the keeper’ in matches.
In large part this is great, taking shots and making decisive actions in the final 1/3 is something teams need, even if those actions don’t result in goals directly. But, simultaneously, Darwin’s overall impact on a match is damaged by taking shooting ‘opportunities’ that simply aren’t shooting opportunities.
This is only one half of Núñez mental/tactical struggles within his finishing. On top of poor shot selection, he struggles to stay composed consistently. During his time with Benfica, this was still a recurring problem. There were moments like the one below, where he showed an understanding of space and time and make a decision based on those two things.
The unfortunate reality though, is that this is very infrequent of an occurrence for Darwin, with rushed shots and poor technique decisions based on pressure being far more common. This, interestingly, has not changed much between his time at Benfica vs. Liverpool. He doesn’t rush more or less, he just generally rushes in his play. It doesn’t seem like he’s ‘struggled to adapt’ or any of the normal explanations for a player struggling in the Premier League, Darwin Núñez just moves too fast for his own good sometimes.
Femur Length, Strength, Speed…
Huh?
I’m willing to bet you didn’t expect a biomechanical portion of this explanation, but it’s true, Darwin’s size is a massive factor in his ability to put the ball in the back of the net. For a lot of this, I want to use Haaland as an example of how technical skills and biomechanics overlap.
For starters, is the science. I will be including a variety of citaitons and links at the bottom with some random notes on why I used them.
As a relatively tall forward, players like Núñez and Haaland tend to have longer femurs than others, this is just general logic. What is meaningful about this though, is that a longer femur has been long linked to having stronger quads, the muscle largely responsible for ball-striking strength [1]. This is a particularly easy explanation for why players like them are able to hit a ball so hard.
On the other side of their limb length though is their step frequency, which is lower than that of people with shorter limbs [2,3,4]. This inability to move their legs at a quick pace could be evidence that it is at least marginally more difficult for taller players to reach a ball underneath their feet with the same speed as someone smaller. I think most would come to that conclusion without any evidence also.
For me, this raised a massive question of what makes players like Haaland and Núñez such lethal finishers, rather than simply agents of chaos? Between the two of them, there is one massive difference: their dribbling style. While Núñez prefers to keep the ball as close to under control and under his feet as possible, Haaland keeps it ahead of him. This means that when it comes to finishing, Haaland is simply meeting a ball with a single touch, while Núñez is forced into taking a primary prep touch, so that he can hit the ball at his ‘optimal’ location.
The interesting thing about this is that while for Núñez it seems like he should be more controlled because of this, it actually works against him, as his feet struggle to do those two things with his height. A lot of his best goals for Liverpool and Benfica have come from meeting the ball on the pass, or situations where it is ahead of him.
Haaland actually gives us a good example of this, where his body almost tangles over itself attempt to get a shot off in two rapid touches.
These two things intersect to give a scientific evidence of strengths and weaknesses in both their games, but while Haaland has adapted and found a body orientation for shooting that suits his body, Núñez has continued to play as if he is 5'10", rather than 6'2" by trying to take settling touches before shooting. Small things like this have made a major difference in his ability to finish certain chances.
Another interesting piece of this is that both of them are great at taking volleys, which isn’t too surprising considering a ball in the air slightly shortens the time required to make contact with it. A combination of strong contact, strong muscles and shortening the time to shoot can make both of them very lethal in these circumstances.
This evidenced strength is a really huge bonus for Darwin and when coupled with his incredible ability to make consistent contact with a ball, he becomes a really lethal ball-striker. So, how do we calibrate his play into goals rather than shots?
Improvements
So Núñez takes bad shots, generally lacks composure in the box, and when he does attempt to take a second touch, it doesn’t really suit his body type? What’s left?
First is answering the mental components of his rushed play. This is something that will certainly take time, but keeping him in consistent circumstances, tactically especially, will give him the confidence to handle those situations with a slower speed than he normally would. This would ideally mean that chances in the box turn into goals more often, rather than him seemingly scrambling to make contact rather than making good contact.
Taking a couple of pages from Haaland’s book would likely serve him well also. Despite not being a striker, trying to focus more on taking specific kinds of shots would make a major difference in his output. As previously mentioned, taking one-touch shots when the time allows is the best way to maximize all of the things that he is good at. Many of his best goals were off of a cutback where he placed it into a corner despite being under pressure, and knowing that he was going to take it in one touch helped to reduce the feeling of that pressure.
Similarly, adapting his dribbling style slightly should help maximize these one-touch-like situations where he’s meeting his own dribble ahead of him and can shoot as if he’s meeting a pass.
There is a certain mental element too at play, which is just general confidence in himself as a player. I try to avoid ever suggesting a player is lacking in confidence, but in the event that he is, time and maximizing the outlined circumstances will help to restore self belief.
John Zuidema
It’s been a long time since player was so heavily under a microscope in the manner which Darwin Núñez is at the moment. Some people claim he’s simply not a good player, some people claim he’s good but limited, others think he’s just an incredible player overall. The main factor in all of this? Darwin Núñez has missed some huge chances since joining Liverpool.
Although there are loads of pieces to evaluating a player, today I want to focus exclusively on Darwin Núñez and his shooting, both tactically and technically focused.
‘The forwards need service!’
A statement a lot of fans love to make, and a quip that Darwin Núñez seems to have set his mind upon breaking. Most players don’t have 30 yard shots in their catalogue — they just don’t see any reason to take them. Darwin seems to have one per page of Wyscout clips.
This somewhat silly example of his decision-making in the final 1/3 is really emblematic though of a larger problem with Núñez which is that he has taken a skill (taking shots) and then put it on some kind of steroid. Which is to say he just shoots whenever he feels he has a yard of space. I’m not sure it exactly fits what people mean when they say ‘service’ but Núñez sure is getting shots off one way or another, in fact, more shots than almost anyone else in the top 5 leagues.
I would say that roughly 1/2 of Núñez shots are just straight up poor quality and shouldn’t be taken, data isn’t the focus but I’m sure someone can give a better idea of what the true ratio is. But, I’m not here to say he shouldn’t be shooting, his shot catalogue is actually very similar to Erling Haaland’s, who takes roughly one less shot per match. (Only difference is he doesn’t think he’s Steph Curry shooting from 35+ yards.)
Getting off shots matters, but so does their quality. Núñez is actually excellent at creating shots and getting them off his foot on his own, while this might not result in goals for him specifically, this is an extremely valuable trait. This is similar to the way that Trent’s passing can influence a game, while once and awhile he’ll play passes that are jaw-dropping, the majority of them set the team up nicely for second-balls in dangerous areas. Núñez does the same with his shooting — sometimes putting them on target and occasionally scoring great shots. A coach’s dream for ‘testing the keeper’ in matches.
In large part this is great, taking shots and making decisive actions in the final 1/3 is something teams need, even if those actions don’t result in goals directly. But, simultaneously, Darwin’s overall impact on a match is damaged by taking shooting ‘opportunities’ that simply aren’t shooting opportunities.
This is only one half of Núñez mental/tactical struggles within his finishing. On top of poor shot selection, he struggles to stay composed consistently. During his time with Benfica, this was still a recurring problem. There were moments like the one below, where he showed an understanding of space and time and make a decision based on those two things.
The unfortunate reality though, is that this is very infrequent of an occurrence for Darwin, with rushed shots and poor technique decisions based on pressure being far more common. This, interestingly, has not changed much between his time at Benfica vs. Liverpool. He doesn’t rush more or less, he just generally rushes in his play. It doesn’t seem like he’s ‘struggled to adapt’ or any of the normal explanations for a player struggling in the Premier League, Darwin Núñez just moves too fast for his own good sometimes.
Femur Length, Strength, Speed…
Huh?
I’m willing to bet you didn’t expect a biomechanical portion of this explanation, but it’s true, Darwin’s size is a massive factor in his ability to put the ball in the back of the net. For a lot of this, I want to use Haaland as an example of how technical skills and biomechanics overlap.
For starters, is the science. I will be including a variety of citaitons and links at the bottom with some random notes on why I used them.
As a relatively tall forward, players like Núñez and Haaland tend to have longer femurs than others, this is just general logic. What is meaningful about this though, is that a longer femur has been long linked to having stronger quads, the muscle largely responsible for ball-striking strength [1]. This is a particularly easy explanation for why players like them are able to hit a ball so hard.
On the other side of their limb length though is their step frequency, which is lower than that of people with shorter limbs [2,3,4]. This inability to move their legs at a quick pace could be evidence that it is at least marginally more difficult for taller players to reach a ball underneath their feet with the same speed as someone smaller. I think most would come to that conclusion without any evidence also.
For me, this raised a massive question of what makes players like Haaland and Núñez such lethal finishers, rather than simply agents of chaos? Between the two of them, there is one massive difference: their dribbling style. While Núñez prefers to keep the ball as close to under control and under his feet as possible, Haaland keeps it ahead of him. This means that when it comes to finishing, Haaland is simply meeting a ball with a single touch, while Núñez is forced into taking a primary prep touch, so that he can hit the ball at his ‘optimal’ location.
The interesting thing about this is that while for Núñez it seems like he should be more controlled because of this, it actually works against him, as his feet struggle to do those two things with his height. A lot of his best goals for Liverpool and Benfica have come from meeting the ball on the pass, or situations where it is ahead of him.
Haaland actually gives us a good example of this, where his body almost tangles over itself attempt to get a shot off in two rapid touches.
These two things intersect to give a scientific evidence of strengths and weaknesses in both their games, but while Haaland has adapted and found a body orientation for shooting that suits his body, Núñez has continued to play as if he is 5'10", rather than 6'2" by trying to take settling touches before shooting. Small things like this have made a major difference in his ability to finish certain chances.
Another interesting piece of this is that both of them are great at taking volleys, which isn’t too surprising considering a ball in the air slightly shortens the time required to make contact with it. A combination of strong contact, strong muscles and shortening the time to shoot can make both of them very lethal in these circumstances.
This evidenced strength is a really huge bonus for Darwin and when coupled with his incredible ability to make consistent contact with a ball, he becomes a really lethal ball-striker. So, how do we calibrate his play into goals rather than shots?
Improvements
So Núñez takes bad shots, generally lacks composure in the box, and when he does attempt to take a second touch, it doesn’t really suit his body type? What’s left?
First is answering the mental components of his rushed play. This is something that will certainly take time, but keeping him in consistent circumstances, tactically especially, will give him the confidence to handle those situations with a slower speed than he normally would. This would ideally mean that chances in the box turn into goals more often, rather than him seemingly scrambling to make contact rather than making good contact.
Taking a couple of pages from Haaland’s book would likely serve him well also. Despite not being a striker, trying to focus more on taking specific kinds of shots would make a major difference in his output. As previously mentioned, taking one-touch shots when the time allows is the best way to maximize all of the things that he is good at. Many of his best goals were off of a cutback where he placed it into a corner despite being under pressure, and knowing that he was going to take it in one touch helped to reduce the feeling of that pressure.
Similarly, adapting his dribbling style slightly should help maximize these one-touch-like situations where he’s meeting his own dribble ahead of him and can shoot as if he’s meeting a pass.
There is a certain mental element too at play, which is just general confidence in himself as a player. I try to avoid ever suggesting a player is lacking in confidence, but in the event that he is, time and maximizing the outlined circumstances will help to restore self belief.
Gw rasa ini penjelasan cukup detail apa yg jadi kekurangan Nunez selama ini.
Diubah oleh venkisaragi 16-04-2024 02:34
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