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Quote:US quietly releasing $1.6B in Pakistan assistance
Published October 20, 2013
FoxNews.com

The U.S. has quietly decided to release more than $1.6 billion in military and economic aid to Pakistan that was suspended when relations between the two countries disintegrated over the covert raid that killed Usama bin Laden and deadly U.S. airstrikes against Pakistani soldiers.

Officials and congressional aides said ties have improved enough to allow the money to flow again.

American and NATO supply routes to Afghanistan are open. Controversial U.S. drone strikes are down. The U.S. and Pakistan recently announced the restart of their "strategic dialogue" after a long pause. Pakistan's new prime minister, Nawaz Sharif, is traveling to Washington for talks this coming week with President Barack Obama.

But in a summer dominated by foreign policy debates over the coup in Egypt and chemical weapons attacks in Syria, the U.S. hasn't promoted its revamped aid relationship with Pakistan. Neither has Pakistan.

The silence reflects the lingering mutual suspicions between the two.

The Pakistanis do not like being seen as dependent on their heavy-handed partners. The Americans are uncomfortable highlighting the billions provided to a government that is plagued by corruption and perceived as often duplicitous in fighting terrorism.

Congress has cleared most of the money, and it should start moving early next year, officials and congressional aides said.

Over three weeks in July and August, the State Department and the U.S. Agency for International Development informed Congress that it planned to restart a wide range of assistance, mostly dedicated to helping Pakistan fight terrorism. The U.S. sees that effort as essential as it withdraws troops from neighboring Afghanistan next year and tries to leave a stable government behind.

Other funds focus on a range of items, including help for Pakistani law enforcement and a multibillion-dollar dam in disputed territory.

U.S.-Pakistani relations have weathered numerous crises in recent years. There was a months-long legal battle over a CIA contractor who killed two Pakistanis, in addition to the fallout from bin Laden's killing in the Pakistani military town of Abbottabad in May 2011. The Pakistani government was outraged that it received no advance warning of the Navy SEAL raid on bin Laden's compound.

Adding to the mistrust, the U.S. mistakenly killed two dozen Pakistani soldiers in November 2011. Islamabad responded by shutting land supply routes for troops in Afghanistan until it received a U.S. apology seven months later.

Last week, the Pakistan Taliban insisted U.S. drone strikes in the country's northwest must stop before they will consider peace talks with the government. The main Pakistani political parties last month backed a government proposal to seek negotiations with the militants, who have been waging a bloody insurgency against the state since 2007.

The main umbrella Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan faction responded with a list of preconditions, including a government ceasefire and the withdrawal of troops from the tribal areas along the Afghan border where the militants may have hideouts.

TTP spokesman Shahidullah Shahid told AFP any ceasefire must include an end to U.S. drone attacks in the tribal areas, which have been targeting suspected Taliban and Al Qaeda militants since 2004.

"A ceasefire alone is not sufficient. The stoppage of drone strikes is essential, otherwise -- if drones continue to strike -- we will not accept the ceasefire," Shahid said.

The Pakistan government publicly criticizes the strikes as counterproductive and a violation of sovereignty, but Washington considers them an effective took in the fight against Islamist militancy.

The State Department told Congress that the U.S. hadn't conducted any significant military financing for Pakistan since the "challenging and rapidly changing period of U.S.-Pakistan relations" in 2011 and 2012. The department stressed the importance now of enhancing Pakistan's anti-terrorism capabilities through better communications, night vision capabilities, maritime security and precision striking with F16 fighter jets.

The department told Congress on July 25 that it would spend $295 million to help Pakistan's military. Twelve days later it announced $386 million more. A pair of notifications arriving on Aug. 13 and worth $705 million centered on helping Pakistani troops and air forces operating in the militant hotbeds of western Pakistan, and other counterinsurgency efforts.

The administration had until the end of September to provide Congress with "reprogramming" plans at the risk of forfeiting some of the money, which spans federal budgets from 2009-2013.

State Department officials said the renewal of aid wasn't determined by any single event. But they noted a confluence of signs of greater cooperation, from Pakistan's improved commitment to stamping out explosives manufacturing to its recent counterterror offensive in areas bordering Afghanistan that have served as a primary sanctuary for the Taliban.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to talk publicly about the aid relationship ahead of Sharif's visit. They said the money would start reaching Pakistan in 2014 but take several years to disburse fully.

"Pakistan's long-term stability is of critical national security interest to the U.S., so we remain committed to helping achieve a more secure, democratic and prosperous state, including through continued civilian and military assistance," said Dan Feldman, the State Department's deputy special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan. He said the assistance plan will deliver results for both countries and enhance Pakistan's ability to fight terrorism.

In its notifications to Congress, the department described fighting terrorism as a mutual concern but said little about the will of Pakistan's government, army and intelligence services to krack down on militant groups that often have operated with impunity in Pakistan while wreaking havoc on U.S. and international forces across the border in Afghanistan.

Top American officials have regularly questioned Pakistan's commitment to counterterrorism.

In 2011, Adm. Mike Mullen, then chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, described the militant Haqqani network as a "veritable arm" of Pakistani intelligence. Lawmakers and administration officials have cited Pakistani support for the Taliban, Lashkar-e-Taiba and other militant groups.

In September, the administration sent officials from multiple agencies for closed-doors briefings with the House and Senate foreign relations committees, officials and congressional aides said.

The House Foreign Affairs Committee has cleared all of the notifications. The Senate Foreign Relations Committee is reviewing a $280 million chunk of military financing, Senate aides said. Aides spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to talk publicly on the matter.

"The committee held up the projects to get more information and express concerns," said the office of Rep. Ed Royce, R-Calif., the House panel's chairman. "Though they went forward, the committee continues its close oversight."

While Washington has publicly challenged Islamabad to step up its fight against militant groups, Pakistan's biggest complaint has been the huge surge in drone strikes on terrorist targets, which Pakistanis see as violations of their sovereignty. The number of attacks has dropped dramatically this year.

The countries say they're now moving past the flaps and mishaps that soured their partnership in recent years. During an August trip to Pakistan, Secretary of State John Kerry announced the restart of a high-level "strategic dialogue" with Pakistan on fighting terrorism, controlling borders and fostering investment.

Among the economic aid programs included in the U.S. package, support for the Diamer-Basha dam near Pakistan's unresolved border with India has the potential for controversy and tremendous benefit.

Pakistan's government has been unable to secure money for the project from the World Bank, and the Asian Development Bank is waiting to hear from the United States and India before providing financing to help construction. The dam faces massive funding shortfalls.

In its July 24 notification to Congress, USAID said the project could cost up to $15 billion and take a decade to complete. The agency promised only to provide "financial and technical assistance" for studies, including on environmental and social aspects, while expressing hope the dam could be transformative for a country with chronic power shortages. State Department officials put the bill for the studies at $20 million.

If the dam were ultimately built, USAID wrote, it could provide electricity for 60 million people and 1 million acres of crop land, and provide a ready supply of water for millions more. It noted that Pakistani officials have sought American support at the "highest levels."

Despite amounting to just a small portion of the overall U.S. aid package, congressional aides said Pakistan's government has lobbied particularly hard for the dam money to be unlocked.

The Associated Press and AFP contributed to this report.

link : http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...an-assistance/
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enak banget yah jadi pakistan kalau soal pengadaan alutsista militernya...dari China dapet, dari US pun juga mengalir masuk
mungkin disinilah pandainya pemerintah pakistan dalam melakukan "tawar-menawar"...mereka sadar kalau posisi pakistan yang diantara afghanistan dan India...bisa menjadi keuntungan buat pakistan
US + NATO butuh pakistan untuk menempatkan suplly logistiknya untuk mendukung operasi milter di Afghan, sedangkan China membutuhkan Pakistan uuntuk menjepit India di tengah-tengah

apakah Indonesia sudah bisa mengambil keuntungan dari blok timur dan barat seperti pakistan??
Gue pingin lihat kalau penarikan pastikan dari Afghanistan sudah selesai apa Pakistan masih dapat duit apa nggak.

Konteks: [url]articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-09-13/world/42022600_1_ground-routes-other-pentagon-officials-the-pentagon[/url]

Sori, Indonesia nggak bisa niru Pakistan kayak gitu. Kita bukan tetangga Afghanistan.
Buset.Pakistan.Indah sekali permainanmu...emoticon-Matabelo Ketimbang yg ngaku2 kembang desa equator Pakistan ini emang lebih jago memainkan bolanya.Mau US lepas sama aja ky lepas salah satu front penting dalam Global War on Terror jadi terpaksa dikasih makan terus walaupun sudah menerima makan dari majikan yg satunya.emoticon-Big Grin
wow emoticon-Recommended Seller

kalo RRC beneran macem2, free tibet aja gan emoticon-Ngacir
bisa nggak ya kita main cantik kayak pakistan biar dapat duit dari 2 pihak biar ada tambahan dana anggaran militer buat pengadaan mainan baruemoticon-Malu
Ah nanti juga habis manis sepah di buang emoticon-Peace
Quote:Original Posted By wahwibson
bisa nggak ya kita main cantik kayak pakistan biar dapat duit dari 2 pihak biar ada tambahan dana anggaran militer buat pengadaan mainan baruemoticon-Malu

ngapain harus ngemis...hrusnya kita fokus ke ekonomi biar besar..otomatis kota bisa memiliki kekuatan yg lebih besar
Quote:Original Posted By Mrkarjo

ngapain harus ngemis...hrusnya kita fokus ke ekonomi biar besar..otomatis kota bisa memiliki kekuatan yg lebih besar


Bukan ngemis dong itu mah. Namanya saling tawar wajar aja.
Lagipula membangun ekonomi itu bukan pekerjaan gampang, satu atau dua dekade pun belum tentu bisa ngejar. Padahal kebutuhan pertahanan itu urgent juga. Kalau bisa dapat duluan kenapa nggak? emoticon-Smilie
Ini baru malak kelas tinggi namanya. Kalo Mamarika gak ngasi duit langsung Taliban2 dilepasin, termasuk Taliban yg masih pake seragam Tentara emoticon-Big Grin

Kalo Pinoy mau ikut2an ancam lepasin Moro ke Sonora, minta duit preman sewa Sabah emoticon-Malu (S)
apanya yg sedap? kan imbal baliknya pakistan harus tutup mata dan ikhlas kalau militer amerika melakukan operasi militer didalam wilayah pakistas sewaktu waktu

bisa dibayangin gimana hebohnya kalau amerika ngirim 2 helikopter penuh seal nyerang sebuah rumah di cijantung? atau setiap hari uav amerika patroli diatas bandung plus kadang kadang nyerang sekelompok wni

hal hal seperti itulah yg harus diterima pakistan tiap hari
Quote:Original Posted By bule2an
apanya yg sedap? kan imbal baliknya pakistan harus tutup mata dan ikhlas kalau militer amerika melakukan operasi militer didalam wilayah pakistas sewaktu waktu

bisa dibayangin gimana hebohnya kalau amerika ngirim 2 helikopter penuh seal nyerang sebuah rumah di cijantung? atau setiap hari uav amerika patroli diatas bandung plus kadang kadang nyerang sekelompok wni

hal hal seperti itulah yg harus diterima pakistan tiap hari


betul juga, jgn cuma inget terima bantuannya aja, lupa konsekuensi kalo bantuan sudah diterima.

Quote:Original Posted By bule2an
apanya yg sedap? kan imbal baliknya pakistan harus tutup mata dan ikhlas kalau militer amerika melakukan operasi militer didalam wilayah pakistas sewaktu waktu

bisa dibayangin gimana hebohnya kalau amerika ngirim 2 helikopter penuh seal nyerang sebuah rumah di cijantung? atau setiap hari uav amerika patroli diatas bandung plus kadang kadang nyerang sekelompok wni

hal hal seperti itulah yg harus diterima pakistan tiap hari


ada benernya juga sih.. intinya ada + sama - nya emoticon-Big Grin
dana & alutsista dituker sama akses wilayah kali ya...

tapi jatuhnya sih jago2an tawar menawar, karena pakistan punya daya tawar cukup tinggi mengingat lokasinya yang stratergis untuk kepentingan didaerah situ...

kecuali negara yg diberi bantuan ngga punya daya tawar, jadinya menghambakan diri...
Quote:Original Posted By wahwibson
bisa nggak ya kita main cantik kayak pakistan biar dapat duit dari 2 pihak biar ada tambahan dana anggaran militer buat pengadaan mainan baruemoticon-Malu


kayaknya susah mas. pertama kita ada ga "ahli negosiator" yg mumpuni? kedua, itu politikus punya kesamaan visi misi kaga? karena susah klo ga ada bekingan politik buat hal semacam ini.. dan dua hal ini harus jalan bareng, ga bisa pisah..
kan selama ini udah dapet dari 2 sumber papa bear ma om sam masih kuran apa lagi?
papa bear udah kasih KE ekspor
Quote:Original Posted By r3zam4n
kan selama ini udah dapet dari 2 sumber papa bear ma om sam masih kuran apa lagi?
papa bear udah kasih KE ekspor


ama kungpu panda jg noh, percuma mengadopsi one china policy tapi ga dimanfaatin.
hebatan kitaa malahh...dapet hibah falcon juga, tot rudal juga,hibah (kilo?) juga...emoticon-Cool
Quote:Original Posted By nylekamin
hebatan kitaa malahh...dapet hibah falcon juga, tot rudal juga,hibah (kilo?) juga...emoticon-Cool


mong omong TD-2000 gak di TOT sekalian ? emoticon-Ngacir
Quote:Original Posted By kimi mabok


mong omong TD-2000 gak di TOT sekalian ? emoticon-Ngacir


Ogah Hong Q Tong Q 9 aja di TOT emoticon-Big Grin
Quote:Original Posted By kimi mabok


mong omong TD-2000 gak di TOT sekalian ? emoticon-Ngacir


kayanya engga ya..cuma yg gede2 doang yg mau..c-802 sama c-705..cmiiw.

kalo FD noceng mau di tot yaaa bolehlah...
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