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Quote:World powers, Iran clinch 'historic' nuclear deal

Geneva — Iran agreed to curb its nuclear programme in exchange for sanctions relief in a breakthrough deal with world powers reached on Sunday after a decade of failed diplomacy and rising tensions.

US President Barack Obama said the preliminary accord clinched in marathon Geneva talks was "an important first step" towards easing fears once and for all that Tehran will get the bomb.

Iranian President Hassan Rouhani, whose elections in June raised big hopes for a thaw with the West, said on Twitter that the breakthrough was made possible by the "Iranian people's vote for moderation" and that it would "open new horizons".

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office however immediately called the agreement struck in Geneva a "bad deal", saying it still left the Islamic republic with the capacity to make a nuclear weapon.

"Today, the United States together with our close allies and partners took an important first step toward a comprehensive solution that addresses our concerns with the Islamic Republic of Iran's nuclear programme," Obama said at the White House.

"While today's announcement is just a first step, it achieves a great deal.

"For the first time in nearly a decade, we have halted the progress of the Iranian nuclear programme, and key parts of the programme will be rolled back."

The Arms Control Association called the deal an "historic breakthrough" in the decade-old impasse a "net plus for nuclear nonproliferation and international security."

Under the deal between Iran and the five permanent members of the UN Security Council plus Germany announced at 3:00 am Geneva time (0200 GMT), Tehran will limit uranium enrichment -- the area that raises most suspicions over Iran's alleged nuclear weapons drive -- to low levels.

It will neutralise its entire stockpile of uranium enriched to medium 20-percent purities -- close to weapons-grade -- within six months, US Secretary of State John Kerry said in Geneva where he and other foreign ministers helped nail down the deal.

Iran will also not add to its stockpile of low-enriched uranium, nor install more centrifuges or commission the Arak reactor.

UN atomic inspectors will also have additional, "unprecedented" access, Kerry said.

In exchange the deal will afford the Islamic republic some $7 billion (5.2 billion euros) in sanctions relief and the powers promised to impose no new embargo measures for six months if it sticks by the accord.


This represents "limited, temporary, targeted, and reversible relief while maintaining the vast bulk of our sanctions, including the oil, finance, and banking sanctions architecture," the White House said.

During this six-month period, Iran and the US, China, Russia, France, Britain and Germany will negotiate a "comprehensive solution ... to give the international community confidence that Iran?s nuclear activities will be exclusively peaceful."

The deal was done at the third meeting of the P5+1 and Iran since Rouhani, seen as a relative moderate, replaced the more hawkish Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in August saying he was ready for "serious" negotiations "without wasting time".

It remains to be seen, however, how the deal will go down with hardliners in both the United States and Iran -- and whether both sides stick to their commitments over the next half year.

Iranians, many of whom see the nuclear programme as source of national pride, are impatient to see a lifting of sanctions that have more than halved Iran's vital oil exports since mid-2012 and hit the economy hard.

Supreme leader Ali Ayatollah Khamenei, describing Israel as a doomed "rabid dog", said in Iran on Wednesday that he insisted "on not retreating one step from the rights of the Iranian nation."

Many in Israel strongly believe that the only aim of Iran -- an ally of Hezbollah and embattled Syrian President Bashar al-Assad -- is to develop a nuclear arsenal with which to threaten their country.

Netanyahu wants all of Iran's nuclear facilities dismantled for good, not some of them temporarily, believing nothing short of this will prevent its arch foe going nuclear -- as it is widely assumed to be itself.

"This is a bad agreement that gives Iran what it wanted: the partial lifting of sanctions while maintaining an essential part of its nuclear programme," Netanyahu's office said.

"Iran is threatening Israel and Israel has the right to defend itself," Economy Minister Naftali Bennett said, warning that Israel was not bound by the accord.

Kerry said however that the deal extends the "breakout" time needed by Iran to develop nuclear weapons and thus "will make our partners in the region safer. It will make our ally Israel safer."

Many hardliners in the United States agree that Obama, who in September held an historic phone call with Rouhani, is being too soft on Iran by negotiating with Tehran and striking this deal.

"Unfortunately, some members of Congress believe further US-mandated sanctions would improve the United States negotiating position in the next round of talks," said Daryl Kimball of the Arms Control Association.

"Such a strategy is illogical and would be counterproductive."

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deal yg lumayan dari pemerintahan ombama untuk berani bernegosiasi secara proaktif dgn iran masalah nuklir ini
yg ternyata terjadi tidak dgn serta merta ... tapi melalui proses yg panjang atas inisiatif pihak ombama

Quote:Secret US-Iran talks set stage for nuke deal

WASHINGTON (AP) — The United States and Iran secretly engaged in a series of high-level, face-to-face talks over the past year, in a high-stakes diplomatic gamble by the Obama administration that paved the way for the historic deal sealed early Sunday in Geneva aimed at slowing Tehran's nuclear program, The Associated Press has learned.

The discussions were kept hidden even from America's closest friends, including its negotiating partners and Israel, until two months ago, and that may explain how the nuclear accord appeared to come together so quickly after years of stalemate and fierce hostility between Iran and the West.

But the secrecy of the talks may also explain some of the tensions between the U.S. and France, which earlier this month balked at a proposed deal, and with Israel, which is furious about the agreement and has angrily denounced the diplomatic outreach to Tehran.

President Barack Obama personally authorized the talks as part of his effort — promised in his first inaugural address — to reach out to a country the State Department designates as the world's most active state sponsor of terrorism.

The talks were held in the Middle Eastern nation of Oman and elsewhere with only a tight circle of people in the know, the AP learned. Since March, Deputy Secretary of State William Burns and Jake Sullivan, Vice President Joe Biden's top foreign policy adviser, have met at least five times with Iranian officials.

The last four clandestine meetings, held since Iran's reform-minded President Hassan Rouhani was inaugurated in August, produced much of the agreement later formally hammered out in negotiations in Geneva among the United States, Britain, France, Russia, China, Germany and Iran, said three senior administration officials. All spoke only on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss by name the highly sensitive diplomatic effort.

The AP was tipped to the first U.S.-Iranian meeting in March shortly after it occurred, but the White House and State Department disputed elements of the account and the AP could not confirm the meeting. The AP learned of further indications of secret diplomacy in the fall and pressed the White House and other officials further. As the Geneva talks appeared to be reaching their conclusion, senior administration officials confirmed to the AP the details of the extensive outreach.

The Geneva deal provides Iran with about $7 billion in relief from international sanctions in exchange for Iranian curbs on uranium enrichment and other nuclear activity. All parties pledged to work toward a final accord next year that would remove remaining suspicions in the West that Tehran is trying to assemble an atomic weapons arsenal.

Iran insists its nuclear interest is only in peaceful energy production and medical research.

The diplomatic gamble with Iran, if the interim agreement holds up and leads to a final pact preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, could avert years of threats of U.S. or Israeli military intervention. It could also prove a turning point in decades of hostility between Washington and Tehran — and become a crowning foreign policy achievement of Obama's presidency.

But if the deal collapses, or if Iran covertly races ahead with development of a nuclear weapon, Obama will face the consequences of failure, both at home and abroad. His gamble opens him to criticism that he has left Israel vulnerable to a country bent on its destruction and that he has made a deal with a state sponsor of terrorism.

The U.S. and Iran cut off diplomatic ties in 1979 after the Islamic Revolution and the storming of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, where 52 Americans were held hostage for more than a year. But Obama has expressed a willingness since becoming president to meet with the Iranians without conditions.

At the president's direction, the United States began a tentative outreach shortly after his inauguration in January 2009. Obama and Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, exchanged letters, but the engagement yielded no results.

That outreach was hampered by Iran's hardline former president, Mahmoud Ahmedinejad, whose re-election in a disputed vote in June of that year led to a violent krackdown on opposition protesters. The next month, relations seemed at another low when Iran detained three American hikers who had strayed across the Iranian border from Iraq.

Ironically, efforts to win the release of the hikers turned out to be instrumental in making the clandestine diplomacy possible.

Oman's Sultan Qaboos was a key player, facilitating the eventual release of the hikers — the last two of whom returned to the United States in 2011 — and then offering himself as a mediator for a U.S.-Iran rapprochement. The secret informal discussions between mid-level officials in Washington and Tehran began.

Officials described those early contacts as exploratory discussions focused on the logistics of setting up higher-level talks. The discussions happened through numerous channels, officials said, including face-to-face talks at undisclosed locations. They included exchanges between then U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice, now Obama's national security adviser, and Iran's envoy to the world body, the officials said. National Security Council aide Puneet Talwar was also involved, the officials said.

The talks took on added weight eight months ago, when Obama dispatched the deputy secretary of state Burns, the top aide Sullivan and five other officials to meet with their Iranian counterparts in the Omani capital of Muscat. Obama dispatched the group shortly after the six powers opened a new round of nuclear talks with Iran in Almaty, Kazakhstan, in late February.

At the time, those main nuclear negotiations were making little progress, and the Iranians had little interest in holding bilateral talks with the United States on the sidelines of the meeting out of fear that the discussions would become public, the U.S. officials said.

So, with the assistance of Sultan Qaboos, officials in both countries began quietly making plans to meet in Oman. Burns, Sullivan and a small team of U.S. technical experts arrived on a military plane in mid-March for the meeting with the Iranians.

The senior administration officials who spoke to the AP would not say who Burns and Sullivan met with but characterized the Iranian attendees as career diplomats, national security aides and experts on the nuclear issue who were likely to remain key players even after the country's elections this summer.

The goal on the American side, the U.S. officials said, was simply at that point to see if the U.S. and Iran could successfully arrange bilateral talks — a low bar that underscored the sour state of relations between the two nations.

Beyond nuclear issues, the officials said the U.S. team at the March Oman meeting also raised concerns about Iranian involvement in Syria, Tehran's threats to close the strategically important Strait of Hormuz and the status of Robert Levinson, a missing former FBI agent who the U.S. believes was abducted in Iran, as well as two other Americans detained in the country.

Hoping to keep the channel open, Secretary of State John Kerry then visited Oman in May on a trip ostensibly to push a military deal with the sultanate but secretly focused on maintaining that country's key mediation role, particularly after the Iranian election scheduled for the next month, the officials said.

Rouhani's election in June on a platform of easing sanctions crippling Iran's economy and stated willingness to engage with the West gave a new spark to the U.S. effort, the officials said.

Two secret meetings were organized immediately after Rouhani took office in August, with the specific goal of advancing the stalled nuclear talks with world powers. Another pair of meetings took place in October.

Burns and Sullivan led the U.S. delegation at each of those sessions, and were joined at the final secret meeting by chief U.S. nuclear negotiator Wendy Sherman.

The Iranian delegation was a mix of officials the Americans had met in March in Oman and others who were new to the talks, administration officials said. All of the Iranians were fluent English speakers.

U.S. officials said the meetings happened in multiple locations, but would not confirm the exact spots, saying they did not want to jeopardize their ability to use the same locations in the future. But at least some of the talks are believed to have taken place in Oman.

The private meetings coincided with a public easing of U.S.-Iranian discord. In early August, Obama sent Rouhani a letter congratulating him on his election. The Iranian leader's response was viewed positively by the White House, which quickly laid the groundwork for the additional secret talks. The U.S. officials said they were convinced that the outreach had the blessing of Ayatollah Khameni, but would not elaborate.

As negotiators continued to talk behind the scenes, public speculation swirled over a possible meeting between Obama and Rouhani on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly, which both attended in September in New York. Burns and Sullivan sought to arrange face-to-face talks, but the meeting never happened largely due to Iranian concerns, the officials said. Two days later, though, Obama and Rouhani spoke by phone — the first direct contact between a U.S. and Iranian leader in more than 30 years.

It was only after that Obama-Rouhani phone call that the U.S. began informing allies of the secret talks with Iran, the U.S. officials said.

Obama handled the most sensitive conversation himself, briefing Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during a Sept. 30 meeting at the White House. He informed Netanyahu only about the two summer meetings, not the March talks, in keeping with the White House's promise only to tell allies about any discussions with Iran that were substantive.

The U.S. officials would not describe Netanyahu's reaction. But the next day, he delivered his General Assembly speech, blasting Rouhani as a "wolf in sheep's clothing" and warning the U.S. against mistaking a change in Iran's tone with an actual change in nuclear ambitions. The Israeli leader has subsequently denounced the potential nuclear agreement as the "deal of the century" for Iran.

After telling Netanyahu about the secret talks, the United States then briefed the other members of the six-nation negotiating team, the U.S. officials said.

The last secret gatherings between the U.S. and Iran took place shortly after the General Assembly, according to the officials.

There, the deal finally reached by the parties on Sunday began to take its final shape.

At this month's larger formal nuclear negotiations between world powers and Iran in Geneva, Burns and Sullivan showed up as well, but the State Department went to great lengths to conceal their involvement, leaving their names off of the official delegation list.

They were housed at a different hotel than the rest of the team, used back entrances to come and go from meeting venues and were whisked into negotiating sessions from service elevators or unused corridors only after photographers left.

sauce http://news.yahoo.com/secret-us-iran...-politics.html


ane apresiasi tindakan ombama yg berani mengesampingkan kemarahan allynya israel demi mendekati iran yg bahkan dilakukan secara sembunyi2
demi mencapai keberhasilan yg terbukti dgn tercapainya kesepakatan awal iran dgn barat soal nuklirnya

WRAPUP 4-Iran, six world powers clinch breakthrough nuclear deal

* Deal halts Iran nuclear progress, U.S. says

* Agreement follows marathon talks in Geneva

* "This is only a first step" - Iran minister

* Most sanctions to remain in place -Kerry (Adds quotes, details on agreement, analyst)

By Parisa Hafezi and Justyna Pawlak

GENEVA, Nov 24 (Reuters) - Iran and six world powers reached a breakthrough deal early on Sunday to curb Tehran's nuclear programme in exchange for limited sanctions relief, in what could be the first sign of an emerging rapprochement between the Islamic state and the West.

Aimed at ending a dangerous standoff, the agreement between Iran and the United States, France, Germany, Britain, China and Russia was nailed down after more than four days of tortuous negotiations in the Swiss city of Geneva.

Halting Iran's most sensitive nuclear work, it was designed as a package of confidence-building steps to ease decades of tensions and confrontation and banish the spectre of a Middle East war over Tehran's nuclear aspirations.

European Union foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton, who has been coordinating talks with Iran on behalf of the major powers, said it created time and space for talks aimed at reaching a comprehensive solution to the dispute.

"This is only a first step," Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif told a news conference. "We need to start moving in the direction of restoring confidence, a direction in which we have managed to move against in the past."

In Washington, U.S. President Barack Obama said that if Iran did not meet its commitments during a six-month period, the United States would turn off sanctions relief and "ratchet up the pressure."

But Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanhayu's government denounced the agreement as "a bad deal" that Israel did not regard itself as bound by.

Before Sunday's agreement, Israel, believed to be the Middle East's only nuclear power, said the deal being offered would give Iran more time to master nuclear technology and amass potential bomb fuel.

The West fears that Iran has been seeking to develop a nuclear weapons capability. The Islamic Republic denies that, saying its nuclear programme is a peaceful energy project.

The United States said the agreement halted progress on Iran's nuclear programme, including construction of the Arak research reactor, which is of special concern for the West as it can yield potential bomb material.

It would neutralise Iran's stockpile of uranium refined to a fissile concentration of 20 percent, which is a close step away from the level needed for weapons, and calls for intrusive U.N. nuclear inspections, a senior U.S. official said.

Iran has also committed to stop uranium enrichment above a fissile purity of 5 percent, a U.S. fact sheet said.


Refined uranium can be used to fuel nuclear power plants - Iran's stated goal - but also provide the fissile core of an atomic bomb if refined much further.

REVERSIBLE SANCTIONS RELIEF

Diplomacy with Iran was stepped up after the landslide election of Hassan Rouhani, a relative moderate, as Iranian president in June, replacing bellicose nationalist Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Rouhani aims to mend fences with big powers and get sanctions lifted. He obtained crucial public backing from Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, keeping powerful hardline critics at bay.

On a Twitter account widely recognised as representing Rouhani, a message said after the agreement was announced, "Iranian people's vote for moderation & constructive engagement + tireless efforts by negotiating teams are to open new horizons."

The Geneva deal has no recognition of an Iranian right to enrich uranium and sanctions would still be enforced, the U.S. official said.

But Iranian Deputy Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi said Iran's enrichment programme had been officially recognised.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said the agreement would make it harder for Iran to make a dash to build a nuclear weapon and would make Israel and other U.S. allies safer.


Kerry also told a news conference that while Obama would not take off the table the possible use of force against Iran, he believed it was necessary first to exhaust diplomacy.

He said the limited sanctions relief could be reversible.

After Ashton read out a statement on the deal to the cameras at the United Nations in Geneva, ministers appeared elated. Ashton and Kerry hugged each other, and Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov shook hands. Minutes later, as the Iranian delegation posed for photos, Zarif and French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius approached each other and embraced.

A White House fact sheet detailed what Iran could obtain:

- Potential access to $1.5 billion in revenue from trade in gold and precious metals and the suspension of some sanctions on Iran's auto sector, and its petrochemical exports;

- Allow purchases of Iranian oil to remain at their currently significantly reduced levels. "$4.2 billion from these sales will be allowed to be transferred in instalments if, and as, Iran fulfils its commitments," the fact sheet said;

- License safety-related repairs and inspections inside Iran for certain Iranian airlines.

Most of the sanctions, Kerry said, would remain in place.

"The approximately $7 billion in relief is a fraction of the costs that Iran will continue to incur during this first phase under the sanctions that will remain in place," the White House said. "The vast majority of Iran's approximately $100 billion in foreign exchange holdings are inaccessible or restricted."

Kerry and the foreign ministers of the five other world powers joined the negotiations with Iran early on Saturday as the two sides appeared to be edging closer to a long-sought preliminary agreement.

The Western powers' goal was to cap Iran's nuclear energy programme, which has a history of evading U.N. inspections and investigations, to remove any risk of Tehran covertly refining uranium to a level suitable for bombs.

British Foreign Secretary William Hague said in a Twitter message that it was an "important and encouraging" first-stage agreement with Iran, whose nuclear programme "won't move forward for 6 months and parts rolled back."

France's Fabius said, "After years of blockages, the agreement in Geneva on Iran's nuclear programme is an important step to preserving security and peace."


'CHRISTMAS PRESENT'

Tehran, whose oil-dependent economy has been severely damaged by tightening Western sanctions over the past few years, denies it would ever "weaponise" enrichment.

The OPEC producer rejects suspicions it is trying covertly to develop the means to produce nuclear weapons, saying it is stockpiling nuclear material for future atomic power plants.

"This is the first time in 33 years that Washington and Tehran have concluded a formal agreement. Even six months ago, few would have imagined this outcome," said senior fellow Suzanne Maloney of the Saban Center for Middle East Policy at Brookings.


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barat terutama amerika selama ini menganut standar ganda. kenapa seh israel boleh punya nuklir tapi iran ga boleh?

baru sekarang aja si obama ga obok2 urusan dalam negeri orang
MENDING SI OBAMA BERESIN URUSAN NEGRI SENDIRI DULU BRAY


saudi bakal makin gencar dengan keinginan senjata nuklirnya....
banda bin sultan pasti ngelobi china dan pakistan buat ngasih senjata nuklirnya,..
pakistan pasti kemungkinan besar kalo dibajiri duit minyak....
Bagus, dunia harus bebas nuklir
Quote:Original Posted By Yuffie
Bagus, dunia harus bebas nuklir

dunia bisa bebas nuklir kalo ketemu energi lain yang lebih murah dan bebas radioaktif...
Saudi sekarang yg mencak2 dgn dikuranginya sanksi ekonomi Iran.


Pool banget dah ombama....
Quote:Original Posted By salibiz
Saudi sekarang yg mencak2 dgn dikuranginya sanksi ekonomi Iran.

emang bener kata ente tetapi dia bakal dapat senjata nuklir entah dari pakistan atau china...
Quote:Original Posted By talanthas23
barat terutama amerika selama ini menganut standar ganda. kenapa seh israel boleh punya nuklir tapi iran ga boleh?

baru sekarang aja si obama ga obok2 urusan dalam negeri orang


Alasan nya gampang
Karena belum pernah satu pun pemimpin2 israel yg pernah mengatakan bahwa akan menghapuskan salah satu negara2 arab dari peta dunia.

Sedangkan pemimpin2 negara2 arab apalagi iran sudah bnyak yg berpidato didepan rakyat ingin memusnahkan atau menghapus negara israel dari peta dunia, yang berarti genosida

Kalau saat ini nga mungkin bisa, tapi kalau sudah punya nuklir dpt melakukannya.

Makanya mamarika dan PBB harus hati2 untuk memberikan persetujuan akan pemanfaatan teknologi nuklir IRAN

Gw yakin seandainya Indonesia mau memproduksi Nuklir, persetujuan dunia nga akan seribet dgn apa yang dialami IRAN, karena nga ada pemimpin2 Indonesia yang berniat memerangi secara langsung apalagi memusnahkan Israel untuk saat ini


Sebetulnya ini baru masa percobaan 6 bulan bagi iran... barat akan stop pembekuab aset2 iran yg diluar. Sedangkan iran akan terbuka untuk Pihak barat dgn membuka selebar2nya untuk IAEA bwt safari di fasilitas pengayaan uranium iran.


Btw israel gih terguncang.. n masih berburuk sangka molo senjata bla2..
Quote:Original Posted By ruuuruuu
Sebetulnya ini baru masa percobaan 6 bulan bagi iran... barat akan stop pembekuab aset2 iran yg diluar. Sedangkan iran akan terbuka untuk Pihak barat dgn membuka selebar2nya untuk IAEA bwt safari di fasilitas pengayaan uranium iran.


Btw israel gih terguncang.. n masih berburuk sangka molo senjata bla2..

sebenernya hal ini juga sedikit kemunduran teknologi bagi iran karena mereka hanya boleh mengayakan uranium sampe kadar maksimal 5% padahal yg sekarang sudah berhasil sampe 20% tapi dari segi ekonomi tentu merupakan kabar yg baik

ane gak tau sampe berapa persen uranium yg dikayakan bisa digunakan utk root bahan bakar reaktor nuklirnya
tapi kalo lebih dari 5% berarti kedepannya iran harus beli dari negara2 nuklir laennya utk bahan bakar reaktornya seperti rusia ato china

tapinya ... kalo emang tujuannya adalah penguasaan ilmu dan pemenuhan kebutuhan isotop nuklir dalam negri artinya gada yg perlu dirisaukan iran
toh seperti janjinya hanya menggunakan teknologi nuklir utk damai ngapain juga dikayakan sampe mendekati weapon grade yg jadi sumber kecurigaan barat

alesan israel takut dgn iran kalo punya senjata nuklir juga terlalu mengada2
kalo iran emang mo melenyapkan israel dgn nuklir gak perlu susah2 bikin pabrik pengayaan uranium segala sampe di embargo barat selama bertaon2
tinggal beli aja dari korut barang 1-2 biji dan ditempelin di missile fajrnya launch ke tel aviv beres sudah masalah

tapi mana ada rezim segila itu? bahkan rezim korut yg geje juga mikir 1000000x kalo mo make nukenya kalo gak mo dilenyapkan dari bumi beneran sama negara2 pemilik nuklir dunia dgn doktrin mad nya
Quote:Original Posted By 72.meki

Kayaknya udah deal dengan pakistan gan...., ane pernah baca beritanya tempo ari. Cmiiw.


jelas pakistan lebih butuh siraman duit minyak
udah megap2 tuch anggaran militernya karena harus ngerawat dan bikin mainan baru

tetapi sino juga bisa nikung tuch kan bandar punya akses ke orang gedhe PKC...

sebenarnya ane kepingin ada konsultan militer dari pakistan...
planning dan eksekusi programnya bagus hasilnya nype hari ini India nggak bisa nguasai pakistan..
tuch negara harus langsung berhadapan dengan raksasa asia kemampuan survivenya bagus...
kemmampuan personel pakistan juga bagus...
buktinya jadi pilot pespur, awak kapal perang+kapal selam, dan tentara darat saudi..
Quote:Original Posted By kinonotabi

sebenernya hal ini juga sedikit kemunduran teknologi bagi iran karena mereka hanya boleh mengayakan uranium sampe kadar maksimal 5% padahal yg sekarang sudah berhasil sampe 20% tapi dari segi ekonomi tentu merupakan kabar yg baik

ane gak tau sampe berapa persen uranium yg dikayakan bisa digunakan utk root bahan bakar reaktor nuklirnya
tapi kalo lebih dari 5% berarti kedepannya iran harus beli dari negara2 nuklir laennya utk bahan bakar reaktornya seperti rusia ato china

tapinya ... kalo emang tujuannya adalah penguasaan ilmu dan pemenuhan kebutuhan isotop nuklir dalam negri artinya gada yg perlu dirisaukan iran
toh seperti janjinya hanya menggunakan teknologi nuklir utk damai ngapain juga dikayakan sampe mendekati weapon grade yg jadi sumber kecurigaan barat

alesan israel takut dgn iran kalo punya senjata nuklir juga terlalu mengada2
kalo iran emang mo melenyapkan israel dgn nuklir gak perlu susah2 bikin pabrik pengayaan uranium segala sampe di embargo barat selama bertaon2
tinggal beli aja dari korut barang 1-2 biji dan ditempelin di missile fajrnya launch ke tel aviv beres sudah masalah

tapi mana ada rezim segila itu? bahkan rezim korut yg geje juga mikir 1000000x kalo mo make nukenya kalo gak mo dilenyapkan dari bumi beneran sama negara2 pemilik nuklir dunia dgn doktrin mad nya


Beli dari korut bisa saja
Tapi gw kok belum pernah melihat penjualan senjata nuklir antar negara???

Tapi seandainnya kejadian seperti itu, jangan lupa resiko kemungkinan operasi rahasia bisa menggagalkan rencana pengirimannya selama perjalanannya sangat besar

Ingat agen rahasia Israel nga boleh dianggap remeh
Apalagi kalau dibantu mamarika
Quote:Original Posted By ruuuruuu
Sebetulnya ini baru masa percobaan 6 bulan bagi iran... barat akan stop pembekuab aset2 iran yg diluar. Sedangkan iran akan terbuka untuk Pihak barat dgn membuka selebar2nya untuk IAEA bwt safari di fasilitas pengayaan uranium iran.

Btw israel gih terguncang.. n masih berburuk sangka molo senjata bla2..

Quote:Original Posted By kinonotabi

sebenernya hal ini juga sedikit kemunduran teknologi bagi iran karena mereka hanya boleh mengayakan uranium sampe kadar maksimal 5% padahal yg sekarang sudah berhasil sampe 20% tapi dari segi ekonomi tentu merupakan kabar yg baik

ane gak tau sampe berapa persen uranium yg dikayakan bisa digunakan utk root bahan bakar reaktor nuklirnya
tapi kalo lebih dari 5% berarti kedepannya iran harus beli dari negara2 nuklir laennya utk bahan bakar reaktornya seperti rusia ato china

tapinya ... kalo emang tujuannya adalah penguasaan ilmu dan pemenuhan kebutuhan isotop nuklir dalam negri artinya gada yg perlu dirisaukan iran
toh seperti janjinya hanya menggunakan teknologi nuklir utk damai ngapain juga dikayakan sampe mendekati weapon grade yg jadi sumber kecurigaan barat

alesan israel takut dgn iran kalo punya senjata nuklir juga terlalu mengada2
kalo iran emang mo melenyapkan israel dgn nuklir gak perlu susah2 bikin pabrik pengayaan uranium segala sampe di embargo barat selama bertaon2
tinggal beli aja dari korut barang 1-2 biji dan ditempelin di missile fajrnya launch ke tel aviv beres sudah masalah

tapi mana ada rezim segila itu? bahkan rezim korut yg geje juga mikir 1000000x kalo mo make nukenya kalo gak mo dilenyapkan dari bumi beneran sama negara2 pemilik nuklir dunia dgn doktrin mad nya

Quote:Original Posted By 0land

Beli dari korut bisa saja
Tapi gw kok belum pernah melihat penjualan senjata nuklir antar negara???


Tapi seandainnya kejadian seperti itu, jangan lupa resiko kemungkinan operasi rahasia bisa menggagalkan rencana pengirimannya selama perjalanannya sangat besar

Ingat agen rahasia Israel nga boleh dianggap remeh
Apalagi kalau dibantu mamarika

nggak lihat india dan china toch...
2 negara itu emangnya dapat hulu ledak nuklir dari mana bro...
lalu hulu ledak nuklir dari pakistan itu juga dapat dari mana...
bentar lagi saudi juga bakal punya senjata nuklir entah dari china atau pakistan...

Quote:Original Posted By 0land


Beli dari korut bisa saja
Tapi gw kok belum pernah melihat penjualan senjata nuklir antar negara???

Tapi seandainnya kejadian seperti itu, jangan lupa resiko kemungkinan operasi rahasia bisa menggagalkan rencana pengirimannya selama perjalanannya sangat besar

Ingat agen rahasia Israel nga boleh dianggap remeh
Apalagi kalau dibantu mamarika

yah belinya di bawah tangan lah ... masak terang2an yah gak boleh
iran kelebihan minyak & gas yg gak bisa dijual bebas dan korut butuh dana segar buat bikin stage kota modern di pyongyang
tentu bisa diaturlah kesepakatannya selama ada supply & demand
bisa lewat dalem laut via sub kilonya iran kalo mo lebih privacy toh hulu ledak nuke juga gak gede2 amat (yg gede peluncurnya)

bapak nuklir pakistan ane pernah baca juga menyelundupkan teknologi nuklir ke dalam negri secara diam2 dan mengembangkannya sampe jadi senjata buat ngadepin india cmiiw
artinya ilmu buat senjata nuklir emang isu sensitip sepanjang jaman selepas pd2
pinter2nya india & pakistan aja yg doloan mbuat nuke (plus israel) karena setelah itu para pemilik nuklir dunia pada anti sama calon pemilik baru di luar negara2 yg sudah punya (plus korut juga)

padahal belom tentu juga rezim negara2 yg sekarang punya tetep punya pikiran waras buat gak make nukenya? apalagi israel yg ngancem akan menuke seluruh dunia ... ya seluruh dunia kalo sampe eksistensi negaranya terancam
luar biasa bukan ... israel yg terang2an ngancam ngenuke dunia kalo terancam dibiarkan tapi iran yg belom tentu bikin senjata nuklir malah dibuly rame2

s***t really happen in this world
Quote:Original Posted By wahwibson
saudi bakal makin gencar dengan keinginan senjata nuklirnya....
banda bin sultan pasti ngelobi china dan pakistan buat ngasih senjata nuklirnya,..
pakistan pasti kemungkinan besar kalo dibajiri duit minyak....

israel ngambek nih bakalan
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