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Quote: NEW DELHI, April 10, 2013

Germans may find it hard to sell their subs

Sandeep Dikshit

Questions have arisen about the efficacy of German submarines just before Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Chancellor Angela Merkel sit down for talks in Berlin late this week when arms trade will be a certain, but underplayed, segment of the discussions.

A submarine tender is too lucrative one to covet and like all big ticket military hardware deals, sees tremendous undercutting of the rival’s position. This time the contest among French, German and Russian submarines promises to be no different. The last tender, close to Rs. 20,000 crore, was bagged by the French. The Germans were not considered due to a corruption charge that was rejected by the courts here.

Technical problems

Fingers are being pointed at the poor performance of German submarines in the South Korean and Greek navies. The Hindu has independently verified that allegations about persisting technical problems with the Korean’s HDW Type 214 submarines are correct. The informed sources also confirmed that a prototype Greek submarine of German design too suffered from serious problems.

But the Indian Navy, badly short of submarines and struggling to complete the French Scorpene project, does not have any complaints about its four German submarines. Sources in the Navy said the four HDW submarines were working fine and they were satisfied with their performance. The sources expressed ignorance about HDW submarines malfunctioning in South Korea. But Korean diplomatic sources admitted there were problems.

The German submarines with the Indian Navy seemed to have followed the same trajectory as the VIP AgustaWestland helicopters. Of the 12 choppers, three have arrived while the import of the remaining has been suspended due to bribery charge. Similarly, in the case of the German submarines, two arrived from the OEM and the other two were assembled here. Then the bribery charge struck and the option to build two more was withdrawn.

Vital shortcoming

According to the sources, Korean submarines Son Won II, Jeongji and Jung-geun were immobilised after the first submarine was badly damaged on the high seas. It has also been alleged that the submarines suffer noise problems. This is a vital shortcoming in a submarine which has to be as noiseless as possible to avoid detection. Or, as Navy officials say, they will be as easy to detect as some Chinese submarines that tried to recce the Bay of Bengal. “We picked them up each time they came,” claimed a Navy official.

Independent sources, however, said the noise levels of the German submarines were lower than the requirement but higher than what the manufacturers – ThyssenKrupp Marine Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft (HDW) – had promised. The sources making the allegations also claimed HDW were fined for the persisting technical problems but none could independently verify the charge.

In the case of Greek submarine Papanikolis, the sources backed their claims with video footage that showed an unusual tilt as it dived. The Germans worked on the Papanikolis but the government has raised other issues.

These problems mean it will not be easy sailing for the German submarines when they make a pitch for the Indian Navy tender.

Currently, the Ministry of Defence is looking at the configuration for supply with circumspection and some more time might be required before a firm decision is taken to call for bids.

Ironically, the allegations against the Germans have originated from one of its close allies, thus indicating the cut-throat competition that is always an integral component of such large military tenders.



Source: http://www.thehindu.com/news/nationa...cle4599258.ece

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Bermasalah di Yunani & SK...
Yang bermasalah type 214 nya........ 209 lancar jaya! viva la 209
negara sekelas jerman yang mbahnya kapal selam aja masih struggling dengan masalah teknis
gimana nasib kapal selam mutan indonesia? yang bikin baru punya pengalaman ngobras...
gimana iniiiiii? huaaaa...

mudah2an di kontrak ada klausul denda super gede buat korsel kalo performa ternyata ak oke..
Quote:Original Posted By mengkom

mudah2an di kontrak ada klausul denda super gede buat korsel kalo performa ternyata ak oke..


o o ... kalo gak tahu malu sih silahkan saja dicharge.
Soalnya CN235 korea telat aja gak dicharge...
India yg diesel punya kilo dan U-209 1500. dr artikel puas dengan kinerja U209 dan mo beli adiknya u209.
bisakah diambil kesimpulan u209 lebih bagus dr kilo?
Makanya beli DSME 209 aja. Cocok itu, lbh canggih dr U209 standar dan tdk bermasalah kyk U214
Quote:Original Posted By focus.user
Makanya beli DSME 209 aja. Cocok itu, lbh canggih dr U209 standar dan tdk bermasalah kyk U214


emang DSME 209 wujudnya kek gmn om?
Quote:Original Posted By focus.user
Makanya beli DSME 209 aja. Cocok itu, lbh canggih dr U209 standar dan tdk bermasalah kyk U214


mutant subs maksud ente?
Quote:Original Posted By focus.user
Makanya beli DSME 209 aja. Cocok itu, lbh canggih dr U209 standar dan tdk bermasalah kyk U214


pret.. barang gak jelas bentuknya udah diklaim canggih...

objektiflah...
Quote:Original Posted By pesky.jerk


mutant subs maksud ente?


maket subs



Quote:Original Posted By blue_danube


pret.. barang gak jelas bentuknya udah diklaim canggih...

objektiflah...


sarkasm kyknya doi mod
Quote:Original Posted By fishbed21
India yg diesel punya kilo dan U-209 1500. dr artikel puas dengan kinerja U209 dan mo beli adiknya u209.
bisakah diambil kesimpulan u209 lebih bagus dr kilo?


Ya nggak ada hubungannya...
Quote:Original Posted By fishbed21
India yg diesel punya kilo dan U-209 1500. dr artikel puas dengan kinerja U209 dan mo beli adiknya u209.
bisakah diambil kesimpulan u209 lebih bagus dr kilo?


bukannya beda kelas?
Quote:Original Posted By blue_danube


pret.. barang gak jelas bentuknya udah diklaim canggih...

objektiflah...


kan mutant mod,,,,,,,,
ga kebayang itu mutan malah ga bisa nyelem kaya scorpene tetangga..hihihi
tenyata operator U -412 pada komplen ...

bagus kita ngambil "CBG" ...
Quote:Original Posted By LeopardLoader
tenyata operator U -412 pada komplen ...

bagus kita ngambil "CBG" ...

Batch ke-2 menurut kantor berita Hurriyet "katanya" TNI-AL akan beli U-214 dari SSM/HDW....

Quote:Indonesia has informed a German-Turkish partnership that South Korea has won Jakarta’s competition for U209 submarines and that the duo should instead focus on the sale of more-developed U214 subs to the Southeast Asian giant, a senior Turkish official has said.

The message was conveyed during the visit of Adm. Agus Suhartono, the chief of staff of Indonesia’s military forces, to Turkey last week, the Turkish official said this weekend.



Source: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tur...=238&nid=14112
perasaan U-209PN yang notabene U-214 di rebadged kok santai2 aja gak ada masalah ya? apa gara2 Greek sama Korsel itu......
U-214 korsel masih belum sempurna perbaikannya?
U-214 klw masih belom beres uda mau nawarin U-216 lagi ke India
Quote:Original Posted By RajaSultanKing
perasaan U-209PN yang notabene U-214 di rebadged kok santai2 aja gak ada masalah ya? apa gara2 Greek sama Korsel itu......


yg PN ini modul PEM-AIPnya yg sempat bermasalah, termasuk kelinci percobaan sih
Quote:Original Posted By supermarine
Batch ke-2 menurut kantor berita Hurriyet "katanya" TNI-AL akan beli U-214 dari SSM/HDW....





Source: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tur...=238&nid=14112


baru penawaran, pengadaan lontong batch 2, pastinya beda kelas dan bakal ditender lagi, ngak tau kapan