Talking [Proyek Kapal Induk "Gratis"] Russia Minta Tambahan Duit Lagi Ke India

Quote:Russia to demand more money to fix INS Vikramaditya
Published September 20, 2012 | By admin
SOURCE: EXPRESS NEWS SOURCE




The memory of the steep price escalation by Russians for the aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov was still fresh in the memories of Indian defence authorities, and the latest snags experienced during the trials of the flat top carrier indicates that Moscow will up the price for warship once more.

The issue is expected to be at the forefront when Russian Defence Minister Anatoly E Serdyukov visits India next month. The Russians have informed about the glitches during the sea trials of the 44,570 tonnes Kiev class aircraft carrier, rechristened as INS Vikramaditya literally meaning “Brave as Sun”, to the Indian Defence Ministry.

Sources informed The New Indian Express that the Russians are building up case for another price hike for the second hand warship. “The Russians are claiming that it was the Indian Navy that insisted on bricks insulation for the boilers rather than the traditional asbestos coating and would therefore claim more in the name of dry dock maintenance,” added the sources.

The Indian Navy’s aim to operate two functional aircraft carriers at a given time suffered a second setback when after 90 days of sailing in the Barent Sea seven of the eight boilers of the warship did not function at its maximum power limit. According to the widely read Russian daily “Kommersant”, the seven boilers were damaged during the trial delaying the delivery of the warship by a year.

The Indian Navy, however, contended that the contract provides for leeway of 3-4 months in case of delay in delivery but beyond that the provisions call for imposing penalty if its delayed beyond it.

he acquisition of Admiral Gorshkov has been full of the price escalation saga. Offered as a gift to the Indian Navy in the beginning, the Russians had used the warship to arm-twist the Indian government to cough up more money that was used to bail out the cash-strapped Sevmash shipyard. The contract was signed in 2004 for a package deal of $1.5 billion that included $974 million for its refit and the rest for the 16 MiG-29 K fighter jets. The initial delivery date was in 2008.

However project hit the headlines in 2007 when Russia said that it will not be able to meet its initial deadline of 2008 and pushed it back to 2010 and demanded upped the price to $2.9 billion. After years of strenuous price re-negotiations the deal was re-inked at $2.33 billion in 2010 and December 2012 was fixed as the delivery time.

However, the recent development indicates that the leviathan is going to miss its deadline once again.

Earlier, the indigenous aircraft carrier project suffered a two years delay when truck carrying important equipment met an accident. Both the aircraft carrier are crucial for the Indian Navy’s policy to gain maritime advantage in the Indian Ocean Region – spread from Gulf of Aden in the east to Malacca Strait in the west – as the force envisages to have one aircraft carrier each for its two coasts.

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waktu ngambil kapal induk ini secara "cuma2" dulu, india mungkin kagak pernah nyangka bakal jatuh ke jebakan betmen
lah, itu di gambar keluar asep kenapa tuh carrier ?
Quote:Original Posted By agungfajari
lah, itu di gambar keluar asep kenapa tuh carrier ?


blum lunas om... ntar udah lunas baru gak kluar asepnya...
Quote:Original Posted By agungfajari
lah, itu di gambar keluar asep kenapa tuh carrier ?


denger2 ada masalah dengan boilernya dan ditunda hingga setahun ke depan, itu kalo tak ada halangan lagi
pinter rusia nyari duitnya

tuan takur tekor gak nih
Quote:Original Posted By Pitung.Kw
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waktu ngambil kapal induk ini secara "cuma2" dulu, india mungkin kagak pernah nyangka bakal jatuh ke jebakan betmen


hanya "kel***i" yang jatuh ke lubang yang sama 2 kali ( atau berkali-kali yah ?? )

Quote:Original Posted By jokokembar
pinter rusia nyari duitnya

tuan takur tekor gak nih


tuan takur yg bertugas mengawasi nih proyek lupa daratan dibekap mama bear

Kasian amat India dipalakin mulu, dah keluar duit banyak barang belum kelar juga
Tapi yg ngeri asepnya itu loh
Quote:Original Posted By sopicali
hanya "kel***i" yang jatuh ke lubang yang sama 2 kali ( atau berkali-kali yah ?? )


maju kena mundur kena, mau mundur tapi duit udah keluar banyak, mau maju tapi duit yg bakal keluar lebih banyak dan entah kapan kelar

jadi ingat cerita kawan bokap yg kena jebakan investasi mlm

invest 100jt, lesap tinggal 20jt, ditawari kalo mau duit balik lagi semuanya, invest lagi 100jt
Maklum dagangnya sama 'boron2'.
Kenapa kalo PT PAL buat kapal nggak bisa meniru trik-nya mafia russia ini yah?
Quote:Original Posted By Mac Gyver
Maklum dagangnya sama 'boron2'.
Kenapa kalo PT PAL buat kapal nggak bisa meniru trik-nya mafia russia ini yah?



Apa g malah membunuh pelan-pelan PAL gan...
kalo orang dikibulin trus ya lama lama ogah berurusan bisnis ma tukang kibul....
berita lebih jelasnya

Quote:“Gorshkov curse” continues; Russian aircraft carrier fails trials




Navy technicians had earlier raised questions over Gorshkov's high pressure boilers. Those anxieties have now been validated


By Ajai Shukla
Business Standard, 18th Sept 12

The Indian Navy’s plan to always have two functional aircraft carriers has just received a second body blow. Already hit by a two-year delay in the indigenous aircraft carrier being built by Cochin Shipyard, now the Russian media has reported that the INS Vikramaditya (formerly the Admiral Gorshkov) has spectacularly failed its ongoing user trials in the Barents Sea.

According to the widely read Russian language daily, Kommersant, seven of the Vikramaditya’s eight boilers broke down, with their firebrick insulation failing due to the high temperatures generated. The press reports stated that the ship would have to be cut open to replace the boilers, a lengthy exercise that can start only next spring.

Consequently the Vikramaditya, which was to originally be delivered to India in 2008, will come only in October 2013 “at the earliest”, says Izvestia daily.

Earlier, Russia had raised the cost of the Vikramaditya three-fold. Along with that, the latest delay makes the aircraft carrier a totem of Russian unreliability as a weapons supplier. From the originally contracted $947 million in the 2004 contract with India, Russia has raised the price to $2.3 billion. Now Russia’s United Shipbuilding Corporation will decide whether the latest debacle will lead to another price hike.

The Indian Navy faces major delays also with the INS Vikrant, which was to enter service in 2015, but which Cochin Shipyard will now deliver only in 2017. Former navy chief, Admiral Nirmal Verma, a press conference in New Delhi on Aug 7th , ascribed the delay to problems with the vessel’s engines and gears, and to an accident in which trucks that were transporting the ships generators from Pune to Kochi overturned en route, damaging the equipment.

The official establishment is remaining silent in the face of this embarrassment. The Russian Embassy in New Delhi told Business Standard said that they had no information beyond what was in the newspapers.

The Indian Navy PRO stated that there was no information yet from the Russian government about the nature and extent of the problem.

However, first reports might have exaggerated the failure on the Vikramditya. Driblets of information are coming in now from some 500 Indian sailors that are on the Gorshkov, observing the trials being conducted by the Russian Navy and by technicians from Sevmash, the shipyard that built the Gorshkov. This information suggests that the Vikramaditya is still moving under its own power, and that the problem with the boilers exists only at high power.

Sources in naval headquarters in New Delhi say that the Vikramaditya is continuing with its aviation trials, in which MiG-29K fighters are still flying from the carrier, testing aviation related systems.

High placed navy sources say they are unsurprised by the failure of the Vikramditya’s boilers. Russia put up the Gorshkov for sale in 1994 after a boiler room explosion incapacitated the vessel. Finding no buyers, Russia offered to give it “free” to the Indian Navy, provided New Delhi paid for its renovation and also bought 16 MiG-29 fighters for $1 billion.

Reporting on the deal in 2004, NDTV, an Indian television news channel, called it “the most expensive freebie in history.”

Navy technicians say that, while evaluating the Gorshkov, they expressed their reservations over its unusual boilers, which generate much higher pressures than conventional warship boilers. Those reservations were dropped after assurances from the Russians.

This ripples from this incident will be felt during next month’s visit of Russian president, Vladimir Putin, to New Delhi. In April, while inducting the Russian-built nuclear-powered submarine INS Chakra, into the Indian Navy, Defence Minister AK Antony had taken a krack at Russian ambassador to India, Alexander Kadakin, who was also present.

“I will remind the Honourable Russian ambassador about his promise to deliver the INS Vikramaditya this year,” said Antony. The navy’s wait seems likely to continue.
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.hk/2012/0...s-russian.html


pernah baca komen orang india, ada yg curiga kalo sebenarnya papa bear sedang menyedot duit inspektur vijay untuk membangun pabrikan carrier mereka
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waktu ngambil kapal induk ini secara "cuma2" dulu, india mungkin kagak pernah nyangka bakal jatuh ke jebakan betmen


kalo dipikir inspektur Vijay dodol juga sih ,,,,apa gak mikir tuh kapal kondisinya gimana,,,,biaya perawatan dan peningkatan kemampuan kedepannya gimana,,,kalo merasa belum mampu ya jangan ambil kapal induklah,,,,atau mungkin di Pimp aja sendiri tuh kapal induk kyk RRC,,,,atau jual aja ke RRC,,,kan lumayan dapet duit,,,,

mungkin terlalu nafsu buat nyaingin RRC,,,,,
Quote:Original Posted By yakhont
kalo dipikir inspektur Vijay dodol juga sih ,,,,apa gak mikir tuh kapal kondisinya gimana,,,,biaya perawatan dan peningkatan kemampuan kedepannya gimana,,,kalo merasa belum mampu ya jangan ambil kapal induklah,,,,atau mungkin di Pimp aja sendiri tuh kapal induk kyk RRC,,,,atau jual aja ke RRC,,,kan lumayan dapet duit,,,,

mungkin terlalu nafsu buat nyaingin RRC,,,,,



India kan nafsuan orangnya, gampang panas..China bikin kapal induk yaa mereka ikutan, China bikin subs nuklir yaa mereka ikutan..


Papa Bear pinter banget memanfaatkan situasi..kena dikerjain deh Inspektur Vijay..

and kestates

Quote:Original Posted By agungfajari
lah, itu di gambar keluar asep kenapa tuh carrier ?


Ga pernah di maintenance dng baik tuh mesinnya
ginilah resikony berurusan bisnis ama negri mafia,...
lha, kan si papabear nya nawarin...itu kapal akan kami beli kembali kalau mister takur ngga mau pakai itu kapal, dan uangnya akan dikembalikan dengan mekanisme yang akan dibicarakan, karena bagi papabear konsep kapal induk murni (bukan haybrit seperti eX atmiral gorsikop ini) dengan melepas peluncur rudalnya merupakan ide yang sangat bagus (thanks to india), mangkanya si mister takur ngga rela idenya di lepas begituh ajah...model an nya seperti daripada kena getahnya doang, mendingan gw bawa nangkanya sekalian dah....meskipun harus naik pohon nangka yang banyak semutnya
kek...kek.....
paman vijay dikerjain ma paman bear tuch,
tapi emang mo ga mau harus beli carrier ke paman bear
habis kalo ke blok barat pada hamburger....
ternyata langkah aman yang dimainkan China dengan membeli barang bekasnya dan diperbaiki sendiri memberikan jalan aman timbang beli dan suruh overhaul dinegera asalnya rentan dipermainkan
asbestos coating....
insulasi boiler nyambung ke kamar mesin yang ada abk gak sih?
kalo iya kagak skalian dikasih ransum bumbu arsenik abk yang kerja deket boilernya ?